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post #46 of 53
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bigwormie,

I'm of course considering the 0404 too. What top differences did you find between your 600's and 650's. Thanks
well in my opinion, the 600's are more open and airy sounding. They by nature will accentuate the upper mids and highs a little more than the 650's. The 650's will go ever so slightly lower in the low, low bass. On top of this the 650's have a sort of "veil" over the highs, that is why with some of the other amps that I tried, I didnt like the sound of the 650's, because if the amp/source leaned toward a warmer sound, then the 650's sounded muddy or sloppy, with something missing in the upper ranges. This is why I think they are such a good fit with the 0404, because it pushes the high (and lower) frequencies, as another poster said "it brings up the soft underbelly of the 650's" and makes them again in my opinion a perfect combo. I just put the 600's back on while I type this and I am going to take them off now because I hear every single cymbal strike and I am sensitive to high frequencies. I guess I would only like the 600's with the 0404 if I really wanted to pay attention to every finger movement of a great acoustic musician such as Jonathan Buttler. Very similar sound mind you, but someone who ownes both with stock cables should be able to identify with what I am saying. One last thing I can say, is it is like the the 600's were some speakers with 5.25" drivers paired with an excellent 8 or 10 inch sub woofer whereas the 650's are like speakers with 6.5" drivers and an excellent 12 inch sub woofer. As I just put the 650's back on, I am now wondering if this is the only way to listen to the 0404. Is this a match made in heaven? Or some fluke of engineering? That is why I am so currious about people trying other cans with the 0404 usb.
post #47 of 53
Synergy is everything and that's why I questioned in my post what some other headphones might do. As to your comparison of 600 and 650, right on. The 600 was my first high end headphone and the brightness was something I constantly battled. Once I heard a 650 I settled on that, but kept my 600 for different situations. With one tube set in my amp they came out almost perfect, the bass was really pumped up and the highs were tamed. But, It lost the soundstage battle with my preferred tube set for the 650. After a tube burned out in my 600 combo and I haven't had the dough to replace it the 650 is the more forgiving choice, albeit with the recessed highs.
post #48 of 53

Something I READ AND TRIED and like

Take the earpads off the 650s. They snap right off. You will see a oval sponge like material that is suppose to protect the speakers. Leave them out put the pads back on and the dynamics of the headphones changes more than recableing. No more sleepy sunns. They will be as alive as Grados with sun sound. If you want protection for the speakers just go get some plastic screen from the hardware store and cut to the size of the foam. The foam really ****tys up the sound. Don't ask my why they use it because once you take it out you will never put it back in. My HD650 with cardis rule...TheSatelliteGuy
post #49 of 53
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Take the earpads off the 650s. They snap right off. You will see a oval sponge like material that is suppose to protect the speakers. Leave them out put the pads back on and the dynamics of the headphones changes more than recableing. No more sleepy sunns. They will be as alive as Grados with sun sound. If you want protection for the speakers just go get some plastic screen from the hardware store and cut to the size of the foam. The foam really ****tys up the sound. Don't ask my why they use it because once you take it out you will never put it back in. My HD650 with cardis rule...TheSatelliteGuy
Interesting. I do not expect to recable my HD650's when I get them, but it is nice to know I can always try this simple mod. Thanks!
post #50 of 53
Foam sounds good to me, minus the foam it gets really squawky (or, to use your term, without foam it ****tys the sound for me).
post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by TheSatelliteGuy View Post
Take the earpads off the 650s. They snap right off. You will see a oval sponge like material that is suppose to protect the speakers. Leave them out put the pads back on and the dynamics of the headphones changes more than recableing. No more sleepy sunns. They will be as alive as Grados with sun sound. If you want protection for the speakers just go get some plastic screen from the hardware store and cut to the size of the foam. The foam really ****tys up the sound. Don't ask my why they use it because once you take it out you will never put it back in. My HD650 with cardis rule...TheSatelliteGuy
I personally would not want to change the sound of the 650's with the 0404 usb because to me it is just right. But I can undertand why some would want to when pairing the 650's with other equipment. Like the other poster said synergy is very important.
post #52 of 53

0404 PCI vs 0404 USB anyone?

I have been using 0404 PCI with 650s for some time now and I found it very well balanced.

Has anyone compared 0404 PCI with 0404 USB? I presume there would be a benefit to the balanced outputs and outboard power supply.
post #53 of 53
I have the 0404 USB along with HD600's and K601's. The built-in headamp is just beyond its limit, IMHO, when it comes to the K601's, but OK for the HD600's. I do prefer using the 0404 USB main output into my home PIMETA with either set of headphones, though, more from the dynamics aspect than for sheer volume--bass is definitely punchier.
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