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post #991 of 2232

@conquerator2, have you ever thought about sending your K612 in for modding? I would love to make the cable detachable... but would hate to void my warranty... :o

 

Also, have you thought about getting K712 pads for it? Just curious...

post #992 of 2232
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

@conquerator2
, have you ever thought about sending your K612 in for modding? I would love to make the cable detachable... but would hate to void my warranty... redface.gif

Also, have you thought about getting K712 pads for it? Just curious...

Didn't think about modding the cable as I really only find it slightly inconvenient.
As for the pads.... I'd love to get them but they are 150/pair
pair... The stock ones are getting more comfy by the day though.
post #993 of 2232

Had the k612 for two months now and I'm really enjoying it more than my DJ100s. Planning to get a vali/modi stack in a week or so, hopefully it will sound better than my e7/e9 combo.

post #994 of 2232

I'm loving having AKG's back again..so comfortable and light.

post #995 of 2232

FWI - IMO, Seriously, if you're on the lookout for a good Mic, don't bother with the V-Moda boom mic, just get a standard Logitech web cam 270..out performs the V-moda and no cross noise interference from your soundcard if you have a PC...should have done it ages ago. 

post #996 of 2232

Sorry for all the posts guys: But I've just had a JDS Labs O2 amp arrive and want to know about the volume thingy.

 

Is it set Windows volume to 90% and then adjust the amp to suit?

 

Cheers

 

motorwayne

Zombie Killer + bandits

post #997 of 2232
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Originally Posted by motorwayne View Post

Sorry for all the posts guys: But I've just had a JDS Labs O2 amp arrive and want to know about the volume thingy.

Is it set Windows volume to 90% and then adjust the amp to suit?

Cheers

motorwayne
Zombie Killer + bandits

Set it to 100 on your pc and use the amp volume pot only.
post #998 of 2232

Just received a pair of K612 and I would like to ask what kind of setup people are using through sound cards?

 

-My card has a boost option for 64ohms in headphone mode

-I have an Fiio E11, which is at EQ off, and gain level 2 (high)

-Software settings wise previously was using :

                        7.1 Windows speaker layout

                        5.1 sound card layout

                        Custom EQ via sound card

                        Custom EQ via Razer surround

 

 

Without any EQ, it seems extremely flat and the mids are over bearing. It's louder under headphones setting, but there's a noticeable positioning loss. 

 

When Windows sound is up over 70% it hisses a bit - which gets larger when using higher levels of sound card amp boost.

Should I be leaving Windows sound low and turning the amp up higher?

 

I also noticed that the right speaker rattles under heavy bass - I wasn't expecting that at all.

post #999 of 2232

Ideally you want the least amount of signal processing before your amp. I understand you may want certain enhancements like surround simulation, and that shouldn't be a problem.

 

Leave the soundcard boost option disabled, because you are using your fiio amp to drive your headphones (I'm assuming). Leave any volume boosters disabled completely, and just use the windows volume which should be fine at 70% to 100%.

 

If you are equalizing, don't boost the bass, but rather take the other frequencies down. I think you are applying too much gain by using boosters and equalizers, which raises the voltage of the line out. This can easily overdrive the fiio which is probably designed to only handle low voltage line signals.

 

Ideally, you want to send as strong of a signal as possible to your amp within the amp's input limits. That gives the amp more headroom and control of amplification. A too strong or too weak line signal will create a lot of problems.


Edited by Punnisher - 2/4/14 at 11:00am
post #1000 of 2232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saraya View Post
 

Just received a pair of K612 and I would like to ask what kind of setup people are using through sound cards?

 

-My card has a boost option for 64ohms in headphone mode

-I have an Fiio E11, which is at EQ off, and gain level 2 (high)

-Software settings wise previously was using :

                        7.1 Windows speaker layout

                        5.1 sound card layout

                        Custom EQ via sound card

                        Custom EQ via Razer surround

 

 

Without any EQ, it seems extremely flat and the mids are over bearing. It's louder under headphones setting, but there's a noticeable positioning loss. 

 

When Windows sound is up over 70% it hisses a bit - which gets larger when using higher levels of sound card amp boost.

Should I be leaving Windows sound low and turning the amp up higher?

 

I also noticed that the right speaker rattles under heavy bass - I wasn't expecting that at all.

 

There's quite a bit to work through here, but I'll try my best. 

 

What sound card are you using? 

When you say it sounds "dull and lifeless" what headphones/sound are comparing it to? 

 

If you're getting distortion chances are (as mentioned above) it's because you're equalizing too much. I know at first it may seem necessary to play with all of those equalizers, processors, surround sound upmixers, etc, but in actuality every single one is in some way distorting the sound and reduces your end sound quality. 

post #1001 of 2232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Punnisher View Post
 

Ideally you want the least amount of signal processing before your amp. I understand you may want certain enhancements like surround simulation, and that shouldn't be a problem.

 

Leave the soundcard boost option disabled, because you are using your fiio amp to drive your headphones (I'm assuming). Leave any volume boosters disabled completely, and just use the windows volume which should be fine at 70% to 100%.

 

If you are equalizing, don't boost the bass, but rather take the other frequencies down. I think you are applying too much gain by using boosters and equalizers, which raises the voltage of the line out. This can easily overdrive the fiio which is probably designed to only handle low voltage line signals.

 

Ideally, you want to send as strong of a signal as possible to your amp within the amp's input limits. That gives the amp more headroom and control of amplification. A too strong or too weak line signal will create a lot of problems.

 

 

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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

There's quite a bit to work through here, but I'll try my best. 

 

What sound card are you using? 

When you say it sounds "dull and lifeless" what headphones/sound are comparing it to? 

 

If you're getting distortion chances are (as mentioned above) it's because you're equalizing too much. I know at first it may seem necessary to play with all of those equalizers, processors, surround sound upmixers, etc, but in actuality every single one is in some way distorting the sound and reduces your end sound quality. 

 

Hi gentlemen,


Thanks for the responses.

 

-I am using Xonar DG in this system

-Sound card boost cannot be disabled per se.  It can be lowered to VoIP mode <32ohms. The only way I know to remove that boost is to be on another setting other than headphones. 

-It's not so much dull and lifeless as a product, it's just that when I put them on I half expected them to sound so good, EQ wouldn't be necessary for the most part. I also expected that with 'Dolby Headphones' which is virutalization, that the muddy reverb acoustics would be resolved. I think that's a sound card issue and not a headphone issue.

-A decent quality 24bit FLAC sounds pretty great, and compared to a budget headset, I can sense/determine differences. However for things like games and some films, I don't. It's interesting that the 24bit music file sounds pretty great with the Dolby virtualization, though still a bit muddy. Where as in a game, or on Youtube it's awful.

 

I get the impression I'm supposed to be using 7.1 in Windows and headphones in my sound card setup with the Dolby enabled. 

 

 

Here's screenshots of everything I have going : 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's also a low/high current switch. I heard the K612 like high current instead of high gain?


Edited by Saraya - 2/4/14 at 1:14pm
post #1002 of 2232
Why do you have Razer Surround going when your Xonar already has Dolby Headphone?

Completely disable that razor software... and see what happens then.
post #1003 of 2232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saraya View Post

 

Hi gentlemen,


Thanks for the responses.

 

-I am using Xonar DG in this system

-Sound card boost cannot be disabled per se.  It can be lowered to VoIP mode <32ohms. The only way I know to remove that boost is to be on another setting other than headphones. 

-It's not so much dull and lifeless as a product, it's just that when I put them on I half expected them to sound so good, EQ wouldn't be necessary for the most part. I also expected that with 'Dolby Headphones' which is virutalization, that the muddy reverb acoustics would be resolved. I think that's a sound card issue and not a headphone issue.

-A decent quality 24bit FLAC sounds pretty great, and compared to a budget headset, I can sense/determine differences. However for things like games and some films, I don't. It's interesting that the 24bit music file sounds pretty great with the Dolby virtualization, though still a bit muddy. Where as in a game, or on Youtube it's awful.

 

I get the impression I'm supposed to be using 7.1 in Windows and headphones in my sound card setup with the Dolby enabled. 

 

 

Here's screenshots of everything I have going : 

 

 

 

 

 

There's also a low/high current switch, which I think is off to the side, a very mistakable button. I heard the K612 like high current instead of high gain?

 

 

I have a Xonar ST, so I'm pretty familiar with their software! The way you describe things, there are a few "hypothesis" I have strumming in my mind. 

 

1. You're looking for "MOAR BASS" - Many times when people first get into headphones, they want what's been missing the most with their old crappy headphones - Bass and lots of it. The K601 I had was accurate in the bass, but not the "MOAR BASS" levels people are hoping for initially. This could be why you think they sound good for high quality music but not necessarily for games (I have many pairs of headphones, and I have one pair specifically for movies/games that has "mo bass").

2. There is some distortion from the EQs you have going

3. You need time to "burn in" - Some people say that headphone drivers sound better with time (like 40 hours minimum). I won't get too much into that. I do believe that your ears "burn in" in a sense. What I mean is that your ears need time to adjust to a lower bass output. Once you get other that, you should be hearing more subtle details in music. When I go from my gaming "mo bass" headphones to my AKG Q701, I need a good 10 minutes before I can do that.

4. The Fiio E11 is a bottleneck - I'm not totally familiar with the E11, but I believe it is intended for headphones and earphones that really don't like a lot of power. It could be the E11 isn't capable of pushing the K612.

 

Here's why I think you should try out. 

 

1. Disable that Razor audio panel. 

2. Set the Xonar system to high gain

3. Turn your computer volume to 0

4. Set Xonar to ANALOG OUT: Headphone, Audio Channels: 2 CHANNEL disable ALL EQ and any "surround sound (including dolby)" in xonar

5. Plug the K612 right into the Xonar card's headphone out. (This should basically give you exactly what type of sound that was heard when a 2 channel song was made in a studio)

6.. Slowly turn up the volume to a comfortable level. 

7. Find some good quality music to listen to. FLAC doesn't necessarily mean a song has good recording quality. It just means the full information of the recording is there. If the song was poorly recorded, the AKGs should show that it was poorly recorded. (Also why youtube might sound like carp). Go to hdtracks.com and play with their sample files. You get 30 seconds, but it should sound excellent.!

 

8. Report back! 

9. After you give yourself some burn in time with these, with all the EQ settings disabled, then you can slowly play around with EQs to your liking. 

post #1004 of 2232
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

Why do you have Razer Surround going when your Xonar already has Dolby Headphone?

Completely disable that razor software... and see what happens then.

Fortunately Razer surround only enhances the rest of the setup. I have not found it to conflict or cause an adverse acoustics reaction.

I can't fault it.

 

Dolby just doesn't sound right for some things, Razer on or off.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

 

I have a Xonar ST, so I'm pretty familiar with their software! The way you describe things, there are a few "hypothesis" I have strumming in my mind. 

 

1. You're looking for "MOAR BASS" - Many times when people first get into headphones, they want what's been missing the most with their old crappy headphones - Bass and lots of it. The K601 I had was accurate in the bass, but not the "MOAR BASS" levels people are hoping for initially. This could be why you think they sound good for high quality music but not necessarily for games (I have many pairs of headphones, and I have one pair specifically for movies/games that has "mo bass").

2. There is some distortion from the EQs you have going

3. You need time to "burn in" - Some people say that headphone drivers sound better with time (like 40 hours minimum). I won't get too much into that. I do believe that your ears "burn in" in a sense. What I mean is that your ears need time to adjust to a lower bass output. Once you get other that, you should be hearing more subtle details in music. When I go from my gaming "mo bass" headphones to my AKG Q701, I need a good 10 minutes before I can do that.

4. The Fiio E11 is a bottleneck - I'm not totally familiar with the E11, but I believe it is intended for headphones and earphones that really don't like a lot of power. It could be the E11 isn't capable of pushing the K612.

 

Here's why I think you should try out. 

 

1. Disable that Razor audio panel. 

2. Set the Xonar system to high gain

3. Turn your computer volume to 0

4. Set Xonar to ANALOG OUT: Headphone, Audio Channels: 2 CHANNEL disable ALL EQ and any "surround sound (including dolby)" in xonar

5. Plug the K612 right into the Xonar card's headphone out. (This should basically give you exactly what type of sound that was heard when a 2 channel song was made in a studio)

6.. Slowly turn up the volume to a comfortable level. 

7. Find some good quality music to listen to. FLAC doesn't necessarily mean a song has good recording quality. It just means the full information of the recording is there. If the song was poorly recorded, the AKGs should show that it was poorly recorded. (Also why youtube might sound like carp). Go to hdtracks.com and play with their sample files. You get 30 seconds, but it should sound excellent.!

 

8. Report back! 

9. After you give yourself some burn in time with these, with all the EQ settings disabled, then you can slowly play around with EQs to your liking. 

 
 
 

 

Actually I'm not after more bass. I just happened to be listening to a bass test when I noticed the rattling and buzzing and this is under the settings you suggested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-FEaGJG8Y

With some HS800 Creative budget gaming headset, I end up getting better bass and no rattling.

 

I did as you said, and I appreciate the cans more when in a basic stereo analogue environment, though it sounds centered and claustrophobic to me.

 

Questions : 

 You do not mention anything about the amp. Where does this fit back into the equation? And should it be on high gain/high current?

 Is Dolby not meant to be used for these type of headphones? 

 What Sample rate am I meant to use in Windows and Xonar?


Edited by Saraya - 2/4/14 at 1:37pm
post #1005 of 2232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saraya View Post
 

 

 

 

Hi gentlemen,


Thanks for the responses.

 

-I am using Xonar DG in this system

-Sound card boost cannot be disabled per se.  It can be lowered to VoIP mode <32ohms. The only way I know to remove that boost is to be on another setting other than headphones. 

-It's not so much dull and lifeless as a product, it's just that when I put them on I half expected them to sound so good, EQ wouldn't be necessary for the most part. I also expected that with 'Dolby Headphones' which is virutalization, that the muddy reverb acoustics would be resolved. I think that's a sound card issue and not a headphone issue.

-A decent quality 24bit FLAC sounds pretty great, and compared to a budget headset, I can sense/determine differences. However for things like games and some films, I don't. It's interesting that the 24bit music file sounds pretty great with the Dolby virtualization, though still a bit muddy. Where as in a game, or on Youtube it's awful.

 

I get the impression I'm supposed to be using 7.1 in Windows and headphones in my sound card setup with the Dolby enabled. 

 

 

Here's screenshots of everything I have going : 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's also a low/high current switch. I heard the K612 like high current instead of high gain?

 

I have an ASUS Xonar DX and I found Dolby headphone to have a muddy reverb on it on every headphone I tried, either dolby headphone isn't as good as people say or it isn't good on these sound cards. I haven't found any fix to the muddy sound to dolby headphone on my sound card. It's better to just turn the speaker channels to 8 and forget about Dolby headphone instead with the ASUS cards imo. Or simply use razor surround and not mess with the sound settings on the sound card.

 

From my experience the K612 seems to like both high current and high gain. They want a fairly beefy amp. The E11 won't give it quite enough power it wants so it will distort quicker than it would on a more powerful amp. If it doesn't have enough power or bad synergy, the bass tends to suffer, it will be lacking a bit in dynamics, and the headphone is a little brittle sounding.


Edited by kman1211 - 2/4/14 at 1:38pm
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