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post #76 of 637
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Originally Posted by chiggachu View Post
OK, here are my criteria for good rap:

1) Good beat - it has to be a solid enough backbone to let me listen to the beat/instrumental by itself. Bass drum + snare is essential.
2) Clever lyrics - not stupid clever, but at least some effort must be made above just making stuff rhyme (this is why I can't listen to The Game)
3) Flow/articulation/musicality of the spit
4) Some form of a catchy hook. This doesn't have to be a melodic hook, a la Diddy, but a hook is songwriting 101. It's an anchor for the song's structure. refer to Biggie and 2pac....
5) Blackness. I'm sorry, but I just haven't heard any non-black hip hop that makes it to the top half of my list. Maybe some Latino stuff, but rap just sounds weird coming out of any other mouth (and I'm an Asian guy, FYI). Eminem is good at what he does, but it's not true rap if you ask me.

OK, all of that said, here are TRACKS I keep myself coming back to:

2pac - Ambitionz Az a Ridah
BIG - Dead Wrong
Jay-Z - Brooklyn's Finest
Kanye West - Through the wire
Talib Kweli - Move Something
DMX - Ruff Ryders Anthem
Wu Tang - Shame on a Ni__a
etc

Some new tracks that are verging on classic:

T.I. - What you know
Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push
The Roots - Game Theory (the drums on this track are amazing!)

I'd love to add to this list, but rap has been pretty weak these days...

Im ready to die
Without a reasonable doubt
Smoke chronic and hit it
Doggy style before i go out
Until they sign my death certificate
All eyez on me
Im still at it, illmatic
And thats THE DOCUMENTARY

Game- The Documentary

I never said thank you, and I took it for granted,
You let me in your house and made me a part of your family,
Now I'm eating with you, Eve and Busta Rhymes,
I wasn't star-struck, I was just glad to be signed,
And even though sometimes I run loose,
You still my homeboy, Doc, I'd take a bullet for you,
I'm not asking you to take my side in the beef,
But you told me it was okay to say '**** the police!',
Now it's my turn to carry the torch,
And I still got the chain that you wore on the cover o' The Source,
Remember when we got drunk to do Start From Scratch?
I told you you was like a father to me, I meant that!
Sitting here looking at my platinum plaques,
Thinking 'What the **** am I without a Dr. Dre track?'
When Doc say it's a wrap, it's a rap,
It's still Aftermath, and ain't nuttin' after that!

Game- Doctors Advocate


You cant tell me boy dont got skills. Got the West on his back.
post #77 of 637
Sorry but i don't see nothing that impressive here...i kinda like the game new LP but certainly not for his lyrics, that's for sure. When im looking for poetic and powerfull lyrics i turn to my man MoS DeF

So much on my mind that I can't recline
Blastin holes in the night til she bled sunshine
Breathe in, inhale vapors from bright stars that shine
Breathe out, weed smoke retrace the skyline
Heard the bass ride out like an ancient mating call
I can't take it y'all, I can feel the city breathin
Chest heavin, against the flesh of the evening
Sigh before we die like the last train leaving

Black Star - Respiration
post #78 of 637
Game's above average in the mainstream, IMO. He just does the same stuff over and over and over and over and over and over again. That, and he's an idiot. Challenging Beckham and Triple H?! What a joke.
post #79 of 637
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Originally Posted by sahwnfras View Post
Im ready to die
Without a reasonable doubt
Smoke chronic and hit it
Doggy style before i go out
Until they sign my death certificate
All eyez on me
Im still at it, illmatic
And thats THE DOCUMENTARY

Game- The Documentary

I never said thank you, and I took it for granted,
You let me in your house and made me a part of your family,
Now I'm eating with you, Eve and Busta Rhymes,
I wasn't star-struck, I was just glad to be signed,
And even though sometimes I run loose,
You still my homeboy, Doc, I'd take a bullet for you,
I'm not asking you to take my side in the beef,
But you told me it was okay to say '**** the police!',
Now it's my turn to carry the torch,
And I still got the chain that you wore on the cover o' The Source,
Remember when we got drunk to do Start From Scratch?
I told you you was like a father to me, I meant that!
Sitting here looking at my platinum plaques,
Thinking 'What the **** am I without a Dr. Dre track?'
When Doc say it's a wrap, it's a rap,
It's still Aftermath, and ain't nuttin' after that!

Game- Doctors Advocate


You cant tell me boy dont got skills. Got the West on his back.
This is exactly why I can't listen to the Game. It's just a laundry list of people that he decided to raise his reputation by mentioning. You hear this over and over again, just like flamerz said.

Thank god the guy has good producers (Eminem, Dre, Kweli, Timbaland, etc.), because lyrics like this are utterly useless. I think his voice and flow are great, though...
post #80 of 637
Man its not the names, its the stories. He can put you in his shoes. Thats westside for ya.
post #81 of 637
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Originally Posted by sahwnfras View Post
Man its not the names, its the stories. He can put you in his shoes. Thats westside for ya.
You're from Canada.

Your posts must be a joke...
post #82 of 637
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Originally Posted by sahwnfras View Post
Man its not the names, its the stories. He can put you in his shoes. Thats westside for ya.
post #83 of 637
A Tribe called quest are quite good. non-gansta crap, interesting beats, good rhymes, pretty good flow.

check out "freeze" by K-OS.
post #84 of 637
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Originally Posted by sahwnfras View Post
Man its not the names, its the stories. He can put you in his shoes. Thats westside for ya.
Check out Brother Ali. My favorite storyteller in the rap game.
post #85 of 637
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Originally Posted by luidge View Post
Or CL smooth with Pete rock on the MPC but still i don't think any can dethrone Eric B. & Rakim. God like!
Pete Rock, he is the man. The way he totally flipped the sound of House of Pain's "Jump Around" is amazing.

The new PR comp "Underground Classics" is definitely worth checking out. I had it on at the dvd rental place the other day, and the old lady behind the counter asked what I was listening to
post #86 of 637
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Originally Posted by sahwnfras View Post
Man its not the names, its the stories. He can put you in his shoes. Thats westside for ya.
You know what they say, to each is own, but i just can't feel this guy, it seem to me like he is another MC that get all the credit yapping about his little beefs with other pop MC. That's what i hate about hip-hop these days, all about the dissin not much love and good stylin. If you compare new stuff to old school rap you'll soon find out that the MC's were talking about everyday stuff and the general aspect of life, now they all get on one another without ever saying something deep that wil make some people stop and think. Good lyrics for me will never be how much someone can diss a people to tears, but more about make people change for the better...so no Game for me...BTW it is true that maybe you are a little to much of a north east cat to rep the WESSSSSST SIDEEEEEE!
post #87 of 637
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Originally Posted by flamerz View Post
Game's above average in the mainstream, IMO. He just does the same stuff over and over and over and over and over and over again. That, and he's an idiot. Challenging Beckham and Triple H?! What a joke.
Blank post of agreement.
post #88 of 637

Thanks!

I read some of this post and wrote down a bunch of your recommendations and went on a buying binge today and bought these:

Viktor Vaughn - Venomous Villain. This one I liked and can see myself liking it a lot once I listen to it more.

The Roots - Phrenology. This one I turned off after the second song. It was a bit abrasive and at the time too fast for my ears, but I only heard the first two songs. I'll definitely give it a solid listen next week commuting.

Aesop Rock - Labor Days. I like Aesop. He already had a spot waiting since I've heard his voice a ton of times on the DJ Krush mix.

Immortal Technique - Revolutionary vol.1. I'm going to go buy the vol.2. That should give you an idea how much I liked this one. Love the lyrical flow and the words he plays with.

Dr Octagon - Dr Octagonecologyst. This I like some though it's not as impressive initially as Immortal tech. I think it's on the same channel as Deltron's 3030 although it sounds quite a bit different. I'm pretty sure I'll like this one the more I listen to it!

Cannibal Ox - The cold vein. I like this a lot too. This is equally as impressive to my ears as Immortal tech. Maybe even a tiny bit more. I like his flow/lyrics and the creative mixes backing him up.
post #89 of 637

Killer music!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by antiant View Post
maybe you should check out colossus (om records) and meshell ndegeocello
MeShell...ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!! One of the very few true shining lights to emerge post the 60/70s creative revolution. Though I definitely wouldn't call her hip hop who cares? Good music is good music. I would highly recommend Peace Beyond Passion but you can't go far wrong with anything she's done. A musicians musician.
post #90 of 637
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Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou View Post
I read some of this post and wrote down a bunch of your recommendations and went on a buying binge today and bought these:

Viktor Vaughn - Venomous Villain. This one I liked and can see myself liking it a lot once I listen to it more.

The Roots - Phrenology. This one I turned off after the second song. It was a bit abrasive and at the time too fast for my ears, but I only heard the first two songs. I'll definitely give it a solid listen next week commuting.

Aesop Rock - Labor Days. I like Aesop. He already had a spot waiting since I've heard his voice a ton of times on the DJ Krush mix.

Immortal Technique - Revolutionary vol.1. I'm going to go buy the vol.2. That should give you an idea how much I liked this one. Love the lyrical flow and the words he plays with.

Dr Octagon - Dr Octagonecologyst. This I like some though it's not as impressive initially as Immortal tech. I think it's on the same channel as Deltron's 3030 although it sounds quite a bit different. I'm pretty sure I'll like this one the more I listen to it!

Cannibal Ox - The cold vein. I like this a lot too. This is equally as impressive to my ears as Immortal tech. Maybe even a tiny bit more. I like his flow/lyrics and the creative mixes backing him up.
You got the wrong Viktor Vaughn. The one you should have gotten is Vaudeville Villain.
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