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post #76 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by euclid View Post
edit: the white level on this set is near perfect and i notice no color push at all it really looks pure white. highlights get blown out in some cases but i'm 99% sure its the DVD source material. apparantly the Pioneer plasmas have better whites than the Panasonic which i was concerned about but now its a non-issue. i have the contrast level at +9, it goes to +40 i think and at that level the screen causes squinting. i am convinced deep black level is THE most important aspect of good PQ.
This seems directed towards me. You probably think I am a LCD fanboy but I currently own a Panasonic plasma. The new Sharp LCDs (D62) have amazing shadow detail but they suffer from banding issues. I am hoping the new D92s will be perfect.
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post #77 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:29pm
I used that dvd and the Avia one too, and then set a kind of mid point. Hardest part was making sure the DVD was set up right as the Firmware kept adjusting the output levels. Grr OPPO. I've a little experience with colours too, used to get real picky about balancing the white and making sure nothing was giving me those pesky zebra stripes when i was making media projects on my BA.

i miss Pal colours I must say. NTSC is icky in comparison

to be honest we only picked the philips set cos it had better connectivity. It was that or the panasonic, and I needed 2 HDMI sockets. oh, and it was in stock. which most of the others weren't around here.

and, curiously my wife does want the room repainted.. hmm not sure i'm gonna be able to talk her into neutral grey though

LCD is nice and sharp though, just bought the mother-in-law a little 26" for her tv room and it's got a super sharp image on it. Now If I can only convince her to get an antenna or HD cable...
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post #78 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by darkninja67 View Post
This seems directed towards me. You probably think I am a LCD fanboy but I currently own a Panasonic plasma. The new Sharp LCDs (D62) have amazing shadow detail but they suffer from banding issues. I am hoping the new D92s will be perfect.
my post wasnt directed at anyone please dont take it like im insulting your judgement. there is alot of propaganda about plasma which just isnt true though, visit AVS forum its like 4 people who know what they are talking about and 500 people passing on rumors and outright lies.

10% deeper blacks and plasma is there IMHO, its not even noticable in normal viewing only in uniformly dark scenes.
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post #79 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by euclid View Post
my post wasnt directed at anyone please dont take it like im insulting your judgement. there is alot of propaganda about plasma which just isnt true though, visit AVS forum its like 4 people who know what they are talking about and 500 people passing on rumors and outright lies.

10% deeper blacks and plasma is there IMHO, its not even noticable in normal viewing only in uniformly dark scenes.
I frequent avs regularly and I know what you mean. The best picture I have seen was from a plasma (Pioneer PRO-FHD1) but I also feel there in no perfect display technolgy out there. Just an opinion.
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post #80 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by darkninja67 View Post
I frequent avs regularly and I know what you mean. The best picture I have seen was from a plasma (Pioneer PRO-FHD1) but I also feel there in no perfect display technolgy out there. Just an opinion.
in another few generations when/if SED is a player it should be as close as can be to perfect. for those that dont know it uses the same general technology as a CRT shooting electrons from a gun and illumating phosphors in front, but instead of a single rear firing gun it is a flat matrix , so basically the pixel can be completely turned off for total black. it should replace everything we have now if they can manufacture it affordably.

when the whole 1080p movement solidifies further i am looking forward to buying a 65" or larger, if SED is not available i wont hesistate to buy another plasma, by then Plasma will look even better, i am done with LCD unless they change the rear illumination method to LED, the current LCD tech has no benefit for me except it is available in smaller size for computer use.
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post #81 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by euclid View Post
visit AVS forum its like 4 people who know what they are talking about and 500 people passing on rumors and outright lies.
amen too that. wayyyyy too much hearsay on the internet nowadays, but that forum in particular is the epitome.

its unfortunate most stores dont have optimal setups so that consumers may get a good chance to do a comparison for themselves
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post #82 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:53pm
LCD, mostly because they're better for gaming.
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post #83 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:56pm
seems to be that almost all tv's come with the contrast cranked up to max out of the box to the look better on the showroon floor. I got some funny looks asking for the remotes to all the tv's in CC so i could put them back to a reasonable setting.

SED does look promising though i must say
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post #84 of 116
1/2/07 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by OGTL View Post
LCD, mostly because they're better for gaming.
how? burn-in is no longer a factor on a good plasma. the blacks are deeper and the motion is smoother, how is LCD technology better except it is more affordable in 1080P at the moment and availalbe in smaller sizes?
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post #85 of 116
1/2/07 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by craiglester View Post

SED does look promising though i must say
SED is going to have a hell of a time getting a foothold in this market. This year we will see some serious price wars going on.
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post #86 of 116
1/2/07 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by euclid View Post
in another few generations when/if SED is a player it should be as close as can be to perfect. for those that dont know it uses the same general technology as a CRT shooting electrons from a gun and illumating phosphors in front, but instead of a single rear firing gun it is a flat matrix , so basically the pixel can be completely turned off for total black. it should replace everything we have now if they can manufacture it affordably.
Toshiba will not show SED at this CES from what I hear. That is not a good sign. Also, affordably is the key word. We will be looking at $999 42" LCD panels this year. This is going to put a lot of pressure on plasma and other technologies. Just take a look at the models currently in place from Samsung, Sony and Sharp among others.
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post #87 of 116
1/2/07 at 8:10pm
Yeah, getting a foot in the door when LCD's and even plasma's are well under a Grand (which they pretty much will be when SED comes to market) is gonna be tough. My TV has pretty much halved in price in the last year and a half..

I meant promising technology wise, not necessarily market share wise, Kinda like Electrostatic headphones
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post #88 of 116
1/2/07 at 8:11pm
Aren't we making many assumptions here about the future improvement potential of LCD and plasma? How do we know they aren't already maxed out right now?

Personally, I don't really like the way either look. If only good 'ol CRT's weren't ridiculously heavy and cumbersome above 36 inches. My 36" WEGA CRT is already ludicrously heavy, way too much for one person alone to pick up...
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post #89 of 116
1/2/07 at 8:25pm
I was guessing that the average target/wal-mart crowd aren't gonna be too bothered by anything other than price. Most people I know think new TV's are expensive, compared to what they were before we all went HD and such.
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post #90 of 116
1/2/07 at 8:29pm
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Aren't we making many assumptions here about the future improvement potential of LCD and plasma? How do we know they aren't already maxed out right now?

Personally, I don't really like the way either look. If only good 'ol CRT's weren't ridiculously heavy and cumbersome above 36 inches. My 36" WEGA CRT is already ludicrously heavy, way too much for one person alone to pick up...
The new Sharps will have some incredible contrast ratios from what I have read. We will know on January 8th. They boast a dynamic CR of 15000:1. I have a D62 Sharp next to a Panny 42" plasma and the black levels of the Sharp rival the Panasonic.

1080p is going to mean something once the price of Blu Ray and HD-DVD players come down. If you use the tv as a monitor then 1080p is the only way to go IMO. Although some LCDs have problems with 1:1 pixel mapping. This is going to be a great year to buy a tv.
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