Originally Posted by Black Stuart
I can't believe how long this thread is becoming - it's a joke and why?
The title of this thread is - On the superiority of vinyl - that's it. If you want to start a new thread on how to waste time arguing semantics - then do so.
Facts - lots of older posters have said on this thread and many others why they are getting back into vinyl - not opinion - fact. There are also, so many threads with young ones who were'nt alive in the heyday of vinyl, who rave about the difference in what they hear with vinyl, compared to CD. So on that basis alone, quite clearly, vinyl (analogue) is superior to CD (digital).
Why would anyone, rationally argue against this reality?
Look at the arguments expounded by the digital brigade - the human ear cannot hear beyond a certain limit, so, ergo the digital brickwall filter does'nt matter, because it is already beyond the capability of humans - what a load of rubbish.
I used to live in a seaside town on the south coast of England, about 54 miles south of London. At wekends many Londoners would visit. I could always easily define who were Londoners and who were local, how, because Londoners shout, why, because they live like all big city dwellers in a totally noisy environment, the same goes for those that have to work in noisy environments - you simply lose the ability to hear detail.
Others have complained how recording engineeers are forced to make hard sounding music, why, because the piece must sound good in a moving car, why, simply because the music industry execs. perceive that that is and other noisy environments are where people will mostly listen to music (see memepool's comments about Motown recordings).
Art's comments about the 'total hearing' are absolutely spot on. This is something the digital brigade don't ever comment on, simply because it does'nt suit their argument. I wonder how many of them actually live in a noisy city?
I remember an American friend commenting a long time ago about inviting a New Yorker to come camping with him in the deserts of New Mexico - it did'nt last very long this vacation and why - the New Yorker got the screaming habdabs. he simply could'nt handle the space or the 'silence'. This city boy talked about being 'crushed' by the desert and by the 'awful' silence.
Of course the desert is'nt silent - it's full of sound but not sound this city freak could handle. It's full of 'nuances' of sound. It was this huge totality of sound/vibrations and nuances that got to him - there was nothing 'cut and dried' about it - this seems to me a perfect analogy for vinyl and digital.
I live for now in what can only be called 'big country' and to most city dwellers from northern Europe and for many Spanish as well - it simply terrifies them. When I stand still in the Tierras Malas (Badlands) I can hear nothing of the 'modern world' and it's wonderful but it is'nt silent - it's full of real sound - which is - all analogue.
Stuart, while i for the main part agree with ya, i wanna point out that on the absolute high end level, the difference is trivial! Not even worth mentioning.
So, in order to get cd right, you need much more money then a good record player...i agree totally on cheaper systems, in this domain i think records reign without any question. Problem is cd is easier without any hasle...repeat, just let it loop etc. for a record you need to go to the recordplayer and turn it over...or place the needle on the spot again...deteriation of the signal with every time you play the record...so, if you play a record lots of times, in the end a cd might be better.
That is why i think mp3 is so widely accepted, it is inferior but it is easy to handle especially for portable players...in this case lazyness is prefered over the quality of sound.
I am all for the quaity of sound.
As i said before..it's more like a tube amp versus a solid state amp...a matter of preference...both can sound really good!
Don't forget that a good vinyl rig can also cost easally thousands of dollars!
To sum it all up:
In this fast and moving society ease and speed is the essence, not taking the time and really listen and enjoy the music...
we, the people on headfi are the exception of the fast majority!
I don't hope cd, sacd and dvd-audio are dying out fast....downloadable content is taking over fast, with the deteriation as a trade off.
Stuart, it is not wrong to try to understand why one is superior over the other or why not...and it is in the context of this thread.
It states "the superiority of vinyl" so, prove vinyl IS superior...