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post #31 of 148
12/6/06 at 9:21pm
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Hi-Finthen: I'm not in a hurry to buy all the stuff for my audio setup. Also i don't want to change the components of the system like socks, i want to get it right the first time, if that's possible. Even if it will take me 1-2 years to put it all together, i don't mind since i will be using this setup for at least 5-10 years from now on, as a good speaker setup it's not possible in this time interval for me. From what i read on all this threads about K1000, is that there are unique headphones, more related to speakers than to headphones (from a sq point of view), and that's what i'm looking in a headphone. But then i've read someplace else that the K701 are like a baby K1000 and hence this thread...
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post #32 of 148
12/6/06 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by Mazuki View Post
The K1000s give you an unique experience that you simply cannot get at any price. So in those terms price really isn't an issue.

That said, I think the main difference between two headphones are in soundstaging. If that's not a priority, there's no need to get the K1000.
aren't they like speaker wannabes for people who cant afford speakers and professional room correction?
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post #33 of 148
12/6/06 at 9:28pm
I have never heard the K 1000 but I'm a happay owner of K701. These cans are very good. If you have a good source ( mine is a NAD S500i ) and good amp ( I have an Original Master ), good interconnect and good recording the 701 will sing very well. the 701 are very neutral. Someones find the bass are little thin but they are well define and the duo 701/Original Master solve this problem. The Original is one of the best headphone amp in the bass and it is affordable. ( 200.00$ USD )

More I listen my 701 and more I love it. Naturally they are other good earphone but if you listen many style of music, the 701 are very a good choice.
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post #34 of 148
12/6/06 at 9:37pm
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Hmm, has anyone used the Heed CanAmp (that Hi-Finthen recommended me for the k701) with K1000, with good results?
On the Heed web site it says this:

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The CanAmp is a two-stage amplifier. While the first - voltage gain - stage is based on an integrated circuit of the highest audio pedigree, the second - power gain - stage is a single-ended, pure Class-A amplifier. It enables the CanAmp to drive virtually any headphones from 8 ohms up to 600 ohms. As its output power (at 8 ohm) is nearly 1W, the CanAmp could drive even a high-sensitivity loudspeaker!
It seems it's quite a powerfull amp, from the specs...
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post #35 of 148
12/6/06 at 9:46pm
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aren't they like speaker wannabes for people who cant afford speakers and professional room correction?
And you know this how?
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post #36 of 148
12/6/06 at 9:56pm
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Hi-Finthen: I'm not in a hurry to buy all the stuff for my audio setup. Also i don't want to change the components of the system like socks, i want to get it right the first time, if that's possible. Even if it will take me 1-2 years to put it all together, i don't mind since i will be using this setup for at least 5-10 years from now on, as a good speaker setup it's not possible in this time interval for me. From what i read on all this threads about K1000, is that there are unique headphones, more related to speakers than to headphones (from a sq point of view), and that's what i'm looking in a headphone. But then i've read someplace else that the K701 are like a baby K1000 and hence this thread...
All I do mean to say is that with the budget you now have, there is no reason not to begin enjoying an entire world of excellent and peak musical experiences with the 701s & Heed CanAmp which will also last you 10 years due to their being warrantied and brand new. Have you looked into the cost of repair of the 10 year old drivers in the K-1000 you may buy? Something to consider buying used as opposed to the 701s and Heed new for example. They are excellent together lending themselves to be taken for granted, and you to focus on your music, and less focus on its collection as to what will sound good due to choice of gears.

I am only trying to be helpful with my little bit of humour above sir, I surely didn't at all mean to offend anyone, surely not yourself.

Excuse me while I return to my magical musical journey tonight, with my Heed and 701s~

Good luck on your decision~
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post #37 of 148
12/6/06 at 9:58pm
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Hmm, has anyone used the Heed CanAmp (that Hi-Finthen recommended me for the k701) with K1000, with good results?
On the Heed web site it says this:


It seems it's quite a powerfull amp, from the specs...
Towards the middle of this thread, Heed & K-1000 :http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=206982
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post #38 of 148
12/6/06 at 10:28pm
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aren't they like speaker wannabes for people who cant afford speakers and professional room correction?
Think before you post.
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post #39 of 148
12/7/06 at 12:06am
I'm just going to say that the K1000 seem to be one of the few headphones here regarded as truly awesome and top of the line by many when done right. If you consider that the other headphones it's often compared with can cost a few times as much as the K1000, they seem to be at a good price. I'd certainly like to get some if I had the money. I doubt the K701 are close technically.

However, it's not like the K1000 is just a step above the K701. As you can see, some people would rather listen to the K701. You'll have to try hard and figure out what you'd like.
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post #40 of 148
12/7/06 at 6:55am
Yes, the K-1000 is absolutely worth it.

It gets knocked here and there, but there are no other earspeakers out there with natural crossfeed like these. It's like having excellent fullrange singledrivers without having to correct for the room. I think they're amazing.

And hey, if you don't like them, you can always sell for what you paid. But I don't think you'll sell if you buy them.
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post #41 of 148
12/7/06 at 10:25am
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Yes, the K-1000 is absolutely worth it.

It gets knocked here and there, but there are no other earspeakers out there with natural crossfeed like these. It's like having excellent fullrange singledrivers without having to correct for the room. I think they're amazing.

And hey, if you don't like them, you can always sell for what you paid. But I don't think you'll sell if you buy them.
“Worth” is determined by each person’s monetary situation. Are the K1000s a great headphone? Absolutely! Look at the number of other headphones owned by the average K1000 owner. Uncle Erik lists these in his signature
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Headphones: AKG K-1000, Sennheiser HD-650, Grado HF-1, AKG K-501, Shure e3c, Stax Aperio Alpha 1, Grado RS-1, BeyerDynamic DT880
My entire point is that to me the K1000s picky nature makes it the perfect addition to a headphone collection. If you have three or four other world-class headphones and the money is no problem then the K1000s would make a wonderful acquisition. If on the other hand you don’t own other world-class headphones and suitable amplification perhaps the K1000s are not the first headphones that should be considered.

The OP has a set of SR-60s and doesn’t have a suitable amp, and since he’s asking are they worth the price then I’d assume that for him at this time something like K701s or HD650s or Beyer 880s would make a hell of a lot more sense.

How many K1000 owners don’t own at least one or two other great headphones?
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post #42 of 148
12/7/06 at 11:49am
its the "worth" part that makes me reconsider.

the risks are obvious:

a) originally it was worth half the current market price

b) supply of parts and service skills will eventually dry up - maintenance costs increase

c) AKG or someone else (like a Chinese manufacturer) might resurrect "earspeakers" (given the hype here and inflated prices its trading at), possibly between its original price and its current market price.

I'd agree that if i could afford both time and money, i'd collect the K701, K1000 and a Stax Omega - a phone for any music !
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post #43 of 148
12/7/06 at 11:58am
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Regarding the warranty, in my case, either for K701 or K1000, i don't get any kind of warranty or post warranty service, as i buy them from abroad. But i think that if you take good care of your headphones, they won't break so easily...i think....
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post #44 of 148
12/7/06 at 12:56pm
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its the "worth" part that makes me reconsider.

the risks are obvious:

a) originally it was worth half the current market price

b) supply of parts and service skills will eventually dry up - maintenance costs increase

c) AKG or someone else (like a Chinese manufacturer) might resurrect "earspeakers" (given the hype here and inflated prices its trading at), possibly between its original price and its current market price.

I'd agree that if i could afford both time and money, i'd collect the K701, K1000 and a Stax Omega - a phone for any music !

Originally it was priced at $1,2**.00, so which is a bit more than you can find them used - at least not too long ago.

They still have plenty of replacement speakers since they supply them to Disney.

I seriously doubt anyone will resurrect the earspeaker. And if they do, they will have a tough time designing it to sound "just right" like the K-1000 does. This is a very small market to be doing lots of R&D on.

Since the K-1000 can compete with the multi thousand dollar R10, HE-90, and 02, I'd say it's a bargain. The K701 competes with the Senn 600, 650 IMO, it about the same price as those, no bargain there.
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post #45 of 148
12/7/06 at 1:04pm
No, the K1000s aren't worth 2 to 3 times the price of the K701s - they are worth 5 to 6 times the price of the K701s. Especially when properly amplified. The K1000s are by far the best set of Dynamic headphones I have ever heard or owned (check my profile for other phones I have owned). To my ears, the K701s were very boring when compared to the K1000s.

With that said, I would suggest to not even bother with the K1000s unless you are prepared to spend the money on a proper power amplifier as well. I would strongly suggest an amp from Pass Labs, First watt, or Red Wine Audio. So you are basically looking at the cost for the K1000s + about $1,000 to $1,500 for a proper amplifier. If that scares you, then go with the K701s and a nice amp for them. If money isn't an issue, then I would strongly suggest going for a K1000 rig.


Good luck.
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