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post #16 of 21
11/29/06 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by chesebert View Post
well..floor standers that's good offer more expansive sound, bad floor standers don't do much. I got more magic out of my VR1 than the Vienna Acoustics Beethoven. Different room, different electronics, same CD, different result I am still very suprised by the bass performance, I just retested and I can fell 36hz from VR1, I remember with NAD amp I can barely hear 45Hz. I am amazed that such a small monitor can produce the big sound in my not so big room.
Really? I remember reading a very good review of the Vienna Acoustics Beethoven in Stereophile, but I can't quite remember. Nevermind.

Are you tempted to move up the VS line now that you've discovered your amazing bookshelves? I've never heard VS speakers, but they look darn cool! I also like their arrogance: "THE BEST SPEAKERS IN THE WORLD?" I can see they're very confident about their speakers just from seeing the two reviews comparing the VR-11 directly against the Alexandria X-2 on their main page! It's as if they're saying, "Bring it on Wilson Audio, let's see what you've got!" Funny thing is, they even designed crossover circuits for BOSE
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post #17 of 21
11/29/06 at 12:26pm
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Really? I remember reading a very good review of the Vienna Acoustics Beethoven in Stereophile, but I can't quite remember. Nevermind.

Are you tempted to move up the VS line now that you've discovered your amazing bookshelves? I've never heard VS speakers, but they look darn cool! I also like their arrogance: "THE BEST SPEAKERS IN THE WORLD?" I can see they're very confident about their speakers just from seeing the two reviews comparing the VR-11 directly against the Alexandria X-2 on their main page! It's as if they're saying, "Bring it on Wilson Audio, let's see what you've got!" Funny thing is, they even designed crossover circuits for BOSE
Nope. no more VS. I want something else Not saying VS is not good, I just like try other stuff ... Dealer near me carries BW, SF, Vandersteen, Paradigm (don't really care for them). SF Cremona looks NICE, sounds nice. maybe I will get a pair when I can afford a much larger listening room.

I am generally not that attached to my equipments. Although I think I will move up the Ayre line sometimes later. Their KISS design principle seem in line with what I did when I was designing my own power amp (school stuff...waaay back).

I think the Vienna Acoustics was driven by some Linn stuff. Like I said, different room, different equipments. what I do have to say is that VA threw up a nice and big sound stage (speakers don't quite disappear though) and is very smooth and easy to listen to.
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post #18 of 21
11/29/06 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by mysticaldodo View Post
The VR-1 are definitely big sounding. Better still with a sub. I changed my solid core silver speaker cables to some copper cables on loan and this help a great deal in dynamics.

I also changed my setup. It used to be like 3 or more feet from the rear wall but now its 1 feet. The bass is smoother (using a frequency sweep) though my room is a bit on the dry side.
my Vr-1 with ayre is pumping out 35Hz (fairly attenu). I do hear a little bump at 40Hz in my room. I don't feel like I need a sub.
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post #19 of 21
11/29/06 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by chesebert View Post
Nope. no more VS. I want something else Not saying VS is not good, I just like try other stuff ... Dealer near me carries BW, SF, Vandersteen, Paradigm (don't really care for them). SF Cremona looks NICE, sounds nice. maybe I will get a pair when I can afford a much larger listening room.

I am generally not that attached to my equipments. Although I think I will move up the Ayre line sometimes later. Their KISS design principle seem in line with what I did when I was designing my own power amp (school stuff...waaay back).

I think the Vienna Acoustics was driven by some Linn stuff. Like I said, different room, different equipments. what I do have to say is that VA threw up a nice and big sound stage (speakers don't quite disappear though) and is very smooth and easy to listen to.
SF Cremona is very nice indeed. I was actually considering either the Cremona or the Amati instead of the Diva Utopia Be. There is a lot of hype with regards to the Cremona in the audiophile community, so I expected a lot out of it. I went to the audition expecting too much out of the Cremona and ended up disappointed. I still fail to see what all the hype is about even though they are undoubtedly well designed and good sounding speakers Just FYI, the Cremona were driven by Classic-line Burmester components. The Amati, on the other hand, was absolutely spectacular. The Amati have a very nice glossy look and are physically much larger than the Cremona. They also sounded a whole lot more refined. IMHO, the Amati are in a whole class above the Cremona (well they better sound good because the Amati costs 2.5 times more than the Cremona!) and even better than the Diva Utopia Be. Unfortunately, I couldn't fit the Amati into my budget without having to skimp on the rest of the system.

By BW, you mean B&W right? They make fine, bassy speakers I had a listen to their 803D and 803S right before my audition of the Cremona/Amati because they were housed in two different listening room of the same speaker dealer. This time, the gear was all Classe (not surprising at all). The 803S were more balanced, but lacked the magic that the 803D had. The 803S are much smaller in size compared to the 803S and cost a huge bundle less too! I can't remember the diamond tweeter on the 803D being particularly special, but the highs were indeed sparkling clean and not harsh at all. It's too bad I found the bass slightly overwhelming. It might've been the room though. As a result, I didn't want to take the risk so I gave up on the 803D/S.

I also got a short listen of the 800 series bookshelves (can't remember model name, I think it was the 805S or something). Those were pretty darn good.

I have no experience with Vandersteen or Paradigm equipment
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post #20 of 21
11/29/06 at 12:58pm
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SF Cremona is very nice indeed. I was actually considering either the Cremona or the Amati instead of the Diva Utopia Be. There is a lot of hype with regards to the Cremona in the audiophile community, so I expected a lot out of it. I went to the audition expecting too much out of the Cremona and ended up disappointed. I still fail to see what all the hype is about even though they are undoubtedly well designed and good sounding speakers Just FYI, the Cremona were driven by Classic-line Burmester components. The Amati, on the other hand, was absolutely spectacular. The Amati have a very nice glossy look and are physically much larger than the Cremona. They also sounded a whole lot more refined. IMHO, the Amati are in a whole class above the Cremona and even better than the Diva Utopia Be. Unfortunately, I couldn't fit the Amati into my budget without having to skimp on the rest of the system.

By BW, you mean B&W right? They make fine, bassy speakers I had a listen to their 803D and 803S right before my audition of the Cremona/Amati because they were housed in two different listening room of the same speaker dealer. This time, the gear was all Classe (not surprising at all). The 803S were more balanced, but lacked the magic that the 803D had. The 803S are much smaller in size compared to the 803S and cost a huge bundle less too! I can't remember the diamond tweeter on the 803D being particularly special, but the highs were indeed sparkling clean and not harsh at all. It's too bad I found the bass slightly overwhelming. It might've been the room though. As a result, I didn't want to take the risk so I gave up on the 803D/S.

I also got a short listen of the 800 series bookshelves (can't remember model name, I think it was the 805S or something). Those were pretty darn good.

I have no experience with Vandersteen or Paradigm equipment
Well If Cremona doesn't fit my taste, Amati it is lol....need a big house first. I love these nice big jumps. I have heard Amati and I abs just love it. never heard Cremona I did expect similar performance though, but I guess I could be wrong.
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post #21 of 21
11/29/06 at 1:06pm
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Well If Cremona doesn't fit my taste, Amati it is lol....need a big house first. I love these nice big jumps. I have heard Amati and I abs just love it. never heard Cremona I did expect similar performance though, but I guess I could be wrong.
Yeah, buying a big house and big speakers is definitely a nice big jump LOL!
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