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My statistics class (Statistical Design of Experiments) requires a final project, which can be any experiment at all as long as it is conducted well and as long as I write the requisite report to accompany it. Right now my idea is to test the impact of various sources and amps (maybe headphones too) on the influence of interconnect cables in the system. I will likely be using the DH Labs BL-1 and Radioshack Gold RCA (both 1-m lengths), with Meridian 508.20 and Sony D-EJ01 as sources and Melos SHA-1 and Headroom Little as amps. Headphones will likely be Sennheiser HD580, Grado HP2, or Etymotic ER-4S.

This will therefore be a 3-factor design, with my original intent being to use a single person as listener and another single person (me) to be the tester. It would be randomized cable order but the subject would know the system being used when he's listening. Also, I would be running a series of 10 observations per system and use the percentage of correct identifications as my yield, or perhaps I would do two runs of 10 observations per system to allow more degrees of freedom for error.

My stats teacher (also somewhat of an audiophile by the way) thinks that there are several potential problems -- first of all, using a single test subject; secondly, the test subject knowing the system; and thirdly, working with correct identifications. He seems to think I should use multiple test subjects who don't know the system used and for them to rank which system they like best, going from 1 to 8 (or, if I only changed amp or source, 1 to 4).

What do you guys think? I only know of one other student that I would feel at all confident asking to tell differences between cables, and I have a very difficult time believing that someone can keep the sound of 4 (let alone 8) in his mind to rank.

If anyone has background in stats and/or psych (HIRSCH) I'd really appreciate some feedback! I'd like to run at least most of the experiment by the end of the day Tuesday. Thanks a lot!
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Design and run an experiment by the end of the day Tuesday? Yow!

The course is in experimental design, so if the teacher is any good a tight design is going to be more important than execution, particularly in a limited time frame.

So, step 1 is to frame your experimental hypothesis very concretely. Do you want to look at the influence of cables? sources? amps? headphones? Each variable you add increases both the complexity of the experiment, and the number of subjects you'll need to do it right.

Your instructor is absolutely right that multiple subjects are critical. Remember that your subjects are supposedly representative of a larger population. The more subjects you have, the stronger your statistical analysis will be, up to a point.

Why do you need to have people who you believe will hear cable differences? That's actually biasing your sample. Grab anyone who will participate.

DON'T make anyone try to remember the sounds of four or eight different setups, or even try to identify them. You're pushing audio memory past its limits. How about a forced choice type of design? The subject doesn't know what system he's hearing. One each trial, the same piece of music is played twice. The subject has to decide which setup he likes best (he's blinded, although the experimenter isn't), or if they sound the same. So, the subject has three choices: A>B, A<B, A=B. You can try to have your subject assign ratings, rather than a simple choice. You're going to need to repeat various pairings to test reliability of the rating, but you need to test repeatablility of the choice in any event.

Throw in some dummy trials so that your subject really is listening to the same system on both trials (this is an important control). Run through a randomized sequence of trials, and see if a systematic preference emerges from the series of choices.

Does this help any?
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What I'd really like to test is the impact of cable differences in systems of different quality. This is assuming that the Meridian is better than a PCDP, the Melos is better than the Headroom Little, and the DH Labs cable is better than the Ratshack cheapie. So the reason I would want test subjects who can tell the difference between cables is that I'm already assuming there are differences (I know, unfair), but I'd like to figure out which components best illuminate the differences.

I've found a second potential test subject, so if I use two test subjects and put them through the experiment I'd have a 2^4 design. If I get a lot of people, I'd likely have to use a Latin Square or a fully randomized design, neither of which is very appealing to me... 2^x designs are MUCH easier to analyze.

How about instead of correctly identifying which cable is being used, the subject needs to tell me whether the cable being used currently is the same cable as was used previously instead of making a choice? This way there are only two options -- yes and no. And this way it's possible to have a simple percentage output of correctly identified differences.

Regarding knowledge of which system is being used... this would be extremely difficult if only because of truly correct level matching. I don't have the equipment to make sure that comparing system A to system B is comparing on the merits of the system as opposed to the dB produced -- even a small difference would make it impossible to do this. That's why I feel forced to compare the two cables in system A, then B, then C, then D.

Do my objections make any sense, Hirsch? By the way, thanks very much for your comments. I think it's possible that your system of ranking is what my prof had in mind.
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Originally posted by DanG
What I'd really like to test is the impact of cable differences in systems of different quality. This is assuming that the Meridian is better than a PCDP, the Melos is better than the Headroom Little, and the DH Labs cable is better than the Ratshack cheapie. So the reason I would want test subjects who can tell the difference between cables is that I'm already assuming there are differences (I know, unfair), but I'd like to figure out which components best illuminate the differences.
Got it. It makes a difference when you've expressed the hypothesis that way. So, your dependent variable is going to be the ability to detect cable differences. You're going to use two different independent variables: test system and cables. You a priori prediction would be that cable differences would be indetectable in the cheap system, but detectable in the good system.

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I've found a second potential test subject, so if I use two test subjects and put them through the experiment I'd have a 2^4 design. If I get a lot of people, I'd likely have to use a Latin Square or a fully randomized design, neither of which is very appealing to me... 2^x designs are MUCH easier to analyze.
Be careful analyzing a small N! You're going to need to insure that you've got enough subjects for the analysis to be valid. Multiple trials within a single subject has its limits.

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How about instead of correctly identifying which cable is being used, the subject needs to tell me whether the cable being used currently is the same cable as was used previously instead of making a choice? This way there are only two options -- yes and no. And this way it's possible to have a simple percentage output of correctly identified differences.
Yes, that's good. As long as what you're looking at is the ability to detect differences, rather than which one is better, there's no need for any kind of ranking.

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Regarding knowledge of which system is being used... this would be extremely difficult if only because of truly correct level matching. I don't have the equipment to make sure that comparing system A to system B is comparing on the merits of the system as opposed to the dB produced -- even a small difference would make it impossible to do this. That's why I feel forced to compare the two cables in system A, then B, then C, then D.

Do my objections make any sense, Hirsch? By the way, thanks very much for your comments. I think it's possible that your system of ranking is what my prof had in mind.
Yes, but bear in mind that your real comparison is going to be between the cables. If the systems aren't exactly level matched, you've got a confound: are cable differences more apparent in louder systems than quieter ones? But this may not be serious. The key is going to be to set the volumes of the systems as close as you can, and then not touch the volume levels of the systems until the experiment is done. If you can borrow a Rat Shack SPL meter, you can approximate db, but bear in mind that actual volume levels are going to depend on each subject's ears. It's going to be something you can't measure anyway.

I'd run it as a 2x2. Good system/Bad system (well, less good system, anyway.) Good cable/bad cable. Some trials you change the system, some trials you change the cable, some trials you don't change anything.

Note that you're already doing a more complex experiment than one that would normally be used to detect cable differences.

You may want to try looking at this with a signal detection analysis, rather than percentage correct. You would calculate, for each condition, the number of correct hits (you change the cable and the subject identifies it), false alarms (subject says you changed the cable when you didn't), correct rejections (subject says cables are the same when they are in fact the same), and misses (subject says the cables are the same when in fact you changed them). In this type of analysis, you can pick up subject bias. A real perceptual change would show up as a change in hits and correct rejections (or misses and false alarms). If those parameters change together, you've got a perceptual change. If hits and false alarms change together (as would misses and correct rejections), that would show a change in subject bias rather than perceptual change.
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