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post #886 of 5933
I was given a chance to demo a pair of 750's, courtesy of another headfier. You will have to forgive me as I'm not very good with at pointing out the intricacies of the different aspects of the sound spectrum, just expressing in layman's terms; thought I'd jot down a few observations. I didn't have a whole lot of time either due to academic constraints. I'll be mostly comparing them to my A900LTD's.

Build Quality
These have a great build quality, really nice ear pads. The clamping force is just right, not as much as the DT770/80 that I've owned in the past. I guess YMMV depending if you've got a big head (like me) or otherwise. The velour pads feel nice on the ears. I thought the ear cups were bigger going by pics, but they're just the correct size; not too small, not too big. Although I would've preferred a little more circumference to them. The A900's would be more better to wear for long period of time however, I suspect the clamping force will get to you after a while. This might be an issue if people game for along time.

What I like
The first thing that stood out to me was the bass. Oh my the glorious bass, hit me like 10 ton truck; this to me, was the best feature of this can. I would say it was more refined than the DT770's bass (if memory serves me right), not as boomy, but hit just right, and had a satisfying decay. Great with hip-hop, electronica, etc.. those kind of genres where a satisfying thump makes all the difference.

Everything else

That was pretty much where the love stopped; the music sounded thin to me compared to the AT's. I didn't find them to be treble focused, as some people have pointed out; although I am used and like the AT house sound, which would probably explain it. Music in general didn't seem as full compared to the AT's

Also I guess S-Logic does make a subtle difference, however the AT's had a more better soundstage, to me, than these. The 750's made it as if the music was between your ears in a diffuse sort of way; whereas the AT's made it feel as if the music/instruments were in a 3D space all around you.

If I could mate the AT's SQ with the bass of the 750's I think I would satisfied for quite a long time (in headfi terms, maybe 5 months ). Maybe have to check out Fitz's mods for them. As far as types of music go, I think these would suit some eletronica, and classical quite well, maybe even hip-hop. However for the general genres of music, I found myself reaching for the AT's...

Maybe the Proline 650's are something that would suit me better, since they are said to be darker, while having similar if not as much bass punch. I just detest pleather pads, though I could probably change them.

As far as source, my setup and the comparisons were done using either flac or 320 cbr files. SBLive coax digital out -> Beresford DAC -> PIMETA (24v Elpac).

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post #887 of 5933
Brn80 thanks for that.

How similar is the A900LTD to A900?

Going from that I may try the 650 instead it´s a lot cheaper too
post #888 of 5933
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Originally Posted by brn80 View Post
I didn't have a whole lot of time either due to academic constraints.
How long would you say that you spent with the 750s, brn?
post #889 of 5933
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Originally Posted by Wmcmanus View Post
Afterall (if you stop to think about it), Ultrasones sure were sleepers here at Head-Fi for the longest time!
I do not think they were sleepers, they were new to many of us, howl ong they have been in the market, compare that to Sony, Sennheiser, Grado, AKG...etc...people is always hesitant to try new things, specially with new technologies...
Also short auditions is the not the way to go with them..how to audition them a new product, that can not be auditioned in a short period, and over this is not cheap at all???

Too many things against them, but finally justice came for them, hope for others relatively new products and manufacturers as well, and those monologues here in the amp/heapdhone sections about the same brands/manufaturers all the time will belong to the past...
post #890 of 5933

Things to Listen For Evaluating S-Logic Ultrasone Headphones

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Originally Posted by brn80 View Post
I was given a chance to demo a pair of 750's, courtesy of another headfier.
brn80,

I would try to borrow those for another few days. The soundstage, as you can gather from the S-Logic arrangement of the drivers so oddly compared to any other 'phones you've probably ever seen, comes across in a different way than you've heard in the past, and it takes a little bit of a "learning curve" for it to make its qualities evident, or even noticeable, at first. The highs are all there, just more forward, so that takes getting used to as well. Give them a little more time so your head can adjust to them. It took me a little while.

Things to look for:

- a "deeper" soundstage, not only "wider";
- 3D-like placement of instruments in their own "air" (sometimes touchable seeming);
- music coming more from "in front" of you than from "inside your head";
- a certain amount of "height" in the soundstage;
- binaural-like qualities in live-mic'd sound sources;
- electronica panning further away from you in some recordings rather than simply exhibiting a reverb depth illusion;
- kick drum sounding real, not just boomy or pounding;
- electric guitars (rhythm, lead or bass) sounding like mic'd speaker cabinets of nice amps,
(where you can like, "tell" how far the mic is placed from the speaker cone);
- vocals 'floating' in space at a specific distance from you.

These are some of the unique qualities of the S-Logic as I've heard them, just off the top of my head. I hope some other owners might add to this list for my review later (yes, a real review...!)

Terry
post #891 of 5933
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Originally Posted by Dexdexter View Post
How long would you say that you spent with the 750s, brn?
I would say only about two evenings tops, of quality, comparative listening. I had them in total for a week, and I got a chance to listen to them off and on whenever I could during that time.

That is the other aspect I was considering; if I should get them for an extended period, ie; purhcase, to actually see if the differences were because of me being used to the AT sound, or otherwise. However, I'm worried I will acclimatize myself to the sound sig. rather than just like the sound sig. off the bat.

I apologize for being rather negative, I do believe these are great cans; however I wanted to offer another perspective. Remember that I am comparing these to the A900LTD's, so in general they may be better than most closed cans at their price point... or I may just be an AT fan boy

Regardless, they have piqued my interest in this brand, and I would like to sample the other models to see how they fare..
post #892 of 5933
Crap there is only a 20$ difference between the 650 and the 750 so much for saving money lol.

650 has gold plated drivers and 750 titanium. Interestingly the open flag ship 2500 uses gold plated as well not titanium???

The 650 is a bit darker that is the difference???

Though according to specs the 750 goes lower...

http://www.thetechlounge.com/article...50+Headphones/

according to this article it works great for gaming. Don´t know if he has tried the A900 but there is 5.1 headphones with quite good surround. Zalmans have really good surround but horrendous sound quality. Kinyos I had was a bit weird because thy where 5.1 headphones with good sound quality but no surround...

Anyway also I note that they only measure 295 grams... That is less then the DT 770 and A900 but those don´t feel heavy at all?
post #893 of 5933
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
Brn80 thanks for that.

How similar is the A900LTD to A900?

Going from that I may try the 650 instead it´s a lot cheaper too
I haven't heard the A900's personally, but the drivers are quite different. Apparently matched closely, dual entry cords, higher quality earpads, among other things; that I can recall right off the bat. Don't want to go off topic, but the A950LTD's are apparently in the works, so obtaining a similar can won't be as difficult.
post #894 of 5933
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Originally Posted by tbritton View Post
brn80,

I would try to borrow those for another few days. The soundstage, as you can gather from the S-Logic arrangement of the drivers so oddly compared to any other 'phones you've probably ever seen, comes across in a different way than you've heard in the past, and it takes a little bit of a "learning curve" for it to make its qualities evident, or even noticeable at first. The highs are all there, just more forward, so that takes getting used to as well. Give them a little more time so your head can adjust to them. It took me a little while. Things to look for - "deeper" soundstage, not only "wider"; 3D-like placement of instruments in their own "air" (sometimes touchable seeming); music coming more from "in front" of you than from "inside your head"; a certain amount of "height" in the soundstage; binaural-like qualities in live-mic'd sound sources; electronica panning further away from you in some recordings rather than simply exhibiting a reverb depth illusion; kick drum sounding real, not just boomy or pounding; electric guitars (rhythm, lead or bass) sounding like mic'd speaker cabinets of nice amps, where you can like, "tell" how far the mic is placed from the speaker cone; vocals 'floating' in space at a specific distance from you.

These are some of the unique qualities of the S-Logic as I've heard them, just off the top of my head. I hope some other owners might add to this list for my review later (yes, a real review...!)

Terry
Wow, that's a lot of intricacies .. but thanks for that. I may just pick up a pair myself and spend some more time. Although I'd like to try the open varieties of these as well.
post #895 of 5933
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Originally Posted by brn80 View Post
I haven't heard the A900's personally, but the drivers are quite different. Apparently matched closely, dual entry cords, higher quality earpads, among other things; that I can recall right off the bat. Don't want to go off topic, but the A950LTD's are apparently in the works, so obtaining a similar can won't be as difficult.
Damn so it´s pointless then having A900LTD user has reference.... Though is there any reason that the LTD would have say bigger soundstage then the standard A900? The speaker placement is the same?
post #896 of 5933
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
Damn so it´s pointless then having A900LTD user has reference.... Though is there any reason that the LTD would have say bigger soundstage then the standard A900? The speaker placement is the same?
In terms of soundstage, I believe it would be pretty close. I compared these to the LTD's since they were the only closed cans I had on hand. The differences from what I read, were that the LTD's were a bit more resolving as far as details. But they are very close in sound sig.

If you game a lot, I would venture to say that the A900 would win hands down in terms of comfort, especially if you game for extended sessions. They just float on your head...
post #897 of 5933
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
650 has gold plated drivers and 750 titanium. Interestingly the open flag ship 2500 uses gold plated as well not titanium???

Actually the 2500, like the 750, uses 40mm titanium drivers.
http://www.ultrasoneusa.com/proline2500.html
post #898 of 5933
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Originally Posted by brn80 View Post
Wow, that's a lot of intricacies .. but thanks for that. I may just pick up a pair myself and spend some more time. Although I'd like to try the open varieties of these as well.
heh - you're right! I'll edit that post into more of a "list"!
[Edit - there, done!]

Things to look for:

- a "deeper" soundstage, not only "wider";
- 3D-like placement of instruments in their own "air" (sometimes touchable seeming);
- music coming more from "in front" of you than from "inside your head";
- a certain amount of "height" in the soundstage;
- binaural-like qualities in live-mic'd sound sources;
- electronica panning further away from you in some recordings rather than simply exhibiting a reverb depth illusion;
- kick drum sounding real, not just boomy or pounding;
- electric guitars (rhythm, lead or bass) sounding like mic'd speaker cabinets of nice amps,
(where you can like, "tell" how far the mic is placed from the speaker cone);
- vocals 'floating' in space at a specific distance from you.

Yes, I'm certain you would enjoy the result of taking some more time with this line. And don't worry about "becoming acclimated" to their sound - that is actually going to become necessary to hear what's available from these cans! So, I would see that as a positive in this case!

Terry
post #899 of 5933
I really like my Ultrasone DJ1.

I think I'm the only headfier who has them. Should I write a review?
post #900 of 5933
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Originally Posted by Czilla9000 View Post
I really like my Ultrasone DJ1.

I think I'm the only headfier who has them. Should I write a review?
Sure, why not?
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