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post #136 of 5935
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UPDATE:

I hinted recently that I had gotten a little sibling for my 2500s. When I returned to FNAC, I discovered a lone pair of Ultrasone HFI-650s, again stupidly low-priced. I needed a closed headphone to compliment my PX-100 with my Ipod when I'm on the go. So I took the punt, and following a nice running-in, I'm thrilled to report that they are bloody-good also. Haven't tried them in a home setting as yet, though. More to follow...

And I've finally placed my order for a Heed Audio CanAmp, which after lurking throughout it's rather massive, now-up-to 23 page thread here, was one of the inspirations for my looking into better quality cans in the first place. My post today into that thread may be viewed here.

ETA on the CanAmp should be one week to 10 days, after which I'll be finally equipped to do more thorough reviews of the PROline 2500 and HFI-650.

Regards, Dex
post #137 of 5935

Proline 750: first impressions

After a lot of hassle I finally got to listen to a pair of Ultrasones. They are the Proline 750.
I have been fascinated by these since more than a year now, but somehow couldn’t get my hands on them (got scammed on e-bay, but luckily recovered my money in the end).
I don’t want to do a review or something, just impressions from my first couple of hours with them.

Main source: Marantz CD12/DA12 and for amping alternately Rudistor NX-33, Corda Prehead and MF X-can V3 (Pinky version). If you want to know my complete setup: look in my profile: it’s all there.

I know all there is said about taking my time to get used to their sound (and I will, don’t worry), but there are a couple of things I want to vent right now, because I would like to know if other people experienced the same as I do when they started to listen to these phones.

First word that comes to mind when I put them on is: ARTIFICIAL.
Every detail is exaggerated, razor sharp, cold and analytical. All instruments seem to be made of metal and stone and everybody is playing in a concrete cellar.
The sound is extremely “bare bones”, there is no meat nor muscle to it anywhere.
The bass is missing. There are just the outlines of sounds that should have been bass notes, but what is left is just the details that surround it. It is powerless, like a flat tire, a wet paper.

I noticed that when I had been listening to them for a while, my ears (brains) got used to that, and I started to appreciate some aspects.
The amount of detail IS incredible.
Soundstage and positioning of sounds is phenomenal.
There is tremendous speed and clarity. Not the slightest trace of congestion anywhere.
Articulation is perfect.

It somewhat reminded me of the sound signature of my old DT880s, so I pulled them out of the closet to compare. The 880s are also known for their lack of bass (impact) and overall emphasis on the upper regions in the frequency spectrum. I have always liked them anyway.
The difference with the Proline 750 was striking: The DT880 have a lot more bass (one-on-one comparison with Ray Brown’s Summerwind and the test track of the organ on the Ultrasone CD: track 7). They are detailed, but not unnaturally so. They sound organic and natural.

Needless to say I am so far slightly disappointed.

Will they get better with burn-in? (they are burning in right now. I don’t know how much hours are on them by now, because they are a demo pair I got from a local retailer).

Will I just get used to this sound signature and learn to appreciate it?

Am I an incorrigible basshead and should I replace them for some Darth Beyers?
post #138 of 5935
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Originally Posted by Kees View Post
After a lot of hassle I finally got to listen to a pair of Ultrasones. They are the Proline 750.
I have been fascinated by these since more than a year now, but somehow couldn’t get my hands on them (got scammed on e-bay, but luckily recovered my money in the end).
I don’t want to do a review or something, just impressions from my first couple of hours with them.

Main source: Marantz CD12/DA12 and for amping alternately Rudistor NX-33, Corda Prehead and MF X-can V3 (Pinky version). If you want to know my complete setup: look in my profile: it’s all there.

I know all there is said about taking my time to get used to their sound (and I will, don’t worry), but there are a couple of things I want to vent right now, because I would like to know if other people experienced the same as I do when they started to listen to these phones.

First word that comes to mind when I put them on is: ARTIFICIAL.
Every detail is exaggerated, razor sharp, cold and analytical. All instruments seem to be made of metal and stone and everybody is playing in a concrete cellar.
The sound is extremely “bare bones”, there is no meat nor muscle to it anywhere.
The bass is missing. There are just the outlines of sounds that should have been bass notes, but what is left is just the details that surround it. It is powerless, like a flat tire, a wet paper.

I noticed that when I had been listening to them for a while, my ears (brains) got used to that, and I started to appreciate some aspects.
The amount of detail IS incredible.
Soundstage and positioning of sounds is phenomenal.
There is tremendous speed and clarity. Not the slightest trace of congestion anywhere.
Articulation is perfect.

It somewhat reminded me of the sound signature of my old DT880s, so I pulled them out of the closet to compare. The 880s are also known for their lack of bass (impact) and overall emphasis on the upper regions in the frequency spectrum. I have always liked them anyway.
The difference with the Proline 750 was striking: The DT880 have a lot more bass (one-on-one comparison with Ray Brown’s Summerwind and the test track of the organ on the Ultrasone CD: track 7). They are detailed, but not unnaturally so. They sound organic and natural.

Needless to say I am so far slightly disappointed.

Will they get better with burn-in? (they are burning in right now. I don’t know how much hours are on them by now, because they are a demo pair I got from a local retailer).

Will I just get used to this sound signature and learn to appreciate it?

Am I an incorrigible basshead and should I replace them for some Darth Beyers?

All I can tell you is that you need time, you are used to the unnatural presentations for the regular headphones we have heard along our lifes, and that takes time, is as I said once, that you are driving in the left seat, and now you seat on the right seat and try to do it, don't expect to do it properly unless you get used to that.....

Also if you really expect to like them, stop comparing them with other heapdhones until you get used to their presentation, otherwise you will never like them, as you will be reinforcing the unnatural presentation you are used to time after time....

One thing though that is curious to me, is that they indeed has a lot more and better bass than the DT880, which I even consider even leaner than my CD3000 which many people used to find bright, so they may need a lot of burn in, or they are defective, something is wrong there, for sure, the major steegth of those headphones is the bass dept, they do have one of the best bass I have ever heard from a headphone...
post #139 of 5935
Thnx. I'll try some heavy burn-in first. Maybe I can get to Dex's some time and compare with his 2500s to see if they are defective. I'll also call the retailer, maybe he has any notion of how many hours they have on them so far.
post #140 of 5935
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Hi Kees,

The PROline 2500s were an absolute bitch to run-in. Out of the box, and for many hours thereafter, they were utterly UNLISTENABLE, exhibiting all the unpleasant qualities you have described above. In fact, I'm kinda shocked that you've found anything nice to say about the 750s whatsoever at this very early stage.

The PROline 750 and 2500 share the same titanium-plated driver, one of the stiffest there is, in my limited understanding. As a result, both require a really l-o-n-g time to loosen-up a little and begin to come on song. I'd seen estimates of upwards of 200 hours, in fact, so that's exactly what I did and let nature take it's course by avoiding any critical listening until they had past that milestone.

Naturally, I couldn't help but check-in every once in a while for a quick taste, but I promised myself I'd refrain from any judgement of the overall presentation. The evolution was painfully slow, but nonetheless remarkable.

The bass seemed to kick in somewhere around the 72-hour mark, but the timing was still kinda sloppy and the treble remained harsh. Around 130 hours, the upper-mids began to blossom and the timing finally appeared spot-on, achieving a more organic fluidity. And it wasn't until 180 hours that the treble began to soften toward suppleness.

So, chances are that if your 750s were purchased in nice cosmetic condition, they probably didn't have too many hours on them to begin with, despite being demonstration models. So I'd relax a little and put them away for a few days to let them burn-in without getting overly crazed with worry!

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Maybe I can get to Dex's some time and compare with his 2500s to see if they are defective. I'll also call the retailer, maybe he has any notion of how many hours they have on them so far.
If you're ever planning to be near Brussels, you're always welcome to come by and have a listen. Actually, I've got my eyes on a pair of PROline 750 as well, since Mrs. Dex doesn't seem to appreciate the "open" nature of the 2500. In which case, you could compare them directly to yours to see if there's any issue of defect.

But, better still, there is a mini-meet already in the planning stages for Terneuzen, in the south Netherlands! Click here for the thread:

Any interest in a meet in Terneuzen, the Netherlands

As you can see from some of the responses, there should be some interesting gear to try. With any luck, it will be on a Sunday sometime next month. Post a reply there if you're interested. Hope you can make it!

Cheers, Dex
post #141 of 5935
Thanks for the reassurance. I have them running 24/7 now and keep my fingers crossed.
I'll see if I can make it to the meet, maybe see you then!
post #142 of 5935
Put some Dream Theater on them for a few days, later on Metallica, and you will be all set...

And do not keep on comparing them to other heapdhones...or you will never get used to the right presentation they offer...
post #143 of 5935
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Thanks for the reassurance. I have them running 24/7 now...
Good move, Kees. Now try not to think about them for a few days!
post #144 of 5935
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How goes the burn-in, Kees?

They should be cooking nicely!

Glad you'll be joining us for the Dutch / Belgian Meet!

Regards, Dex
post #145 of 5935
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How goes the burn-in, Kees?

They should be cooking nicely!

Glad you'll be joining us for the Dutch / Belgian Meet!

Regards, Dex
Still cooking. Takes like forever it seems. I try to stay away from them, so I can't really tell how they're getting along.
I'll just have to wait and see. I'll bring them to the meet so we can compare. I'm also curious about the 2500s. Looking forward to it!
post #146 of 5935
Looking forward to your impressions on the best headphone line in this part of the universe.

Any further comparison between HFI-650 and 650/750 PROline is most welcomed. I`m trying to determine if the sound improvement is worth the price differences between these models.

I mean, I like the HFI-650s so much that the improvenets in SQ should be considerable to make me decide to go for any PROline model.
post #147 of 5935
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Looking forward to your impressions on the best headphone line in this part of the universe.
Ssshhh! If the others don't catch on, that means more Ultrasones for just us hipsters...

But seriously, Miroslav, where ya been? The Ultrasonistas were on a roll for a few weeks and then, suddenly,---nothing---.

It was gettin' kinda lonely watching thread after thread drop off the radar, only to be replaced by the ten-thousandth Grado or KSC75 or K81DJ thread (all fine, fine cans, I'm sure, but c'mon).

And it's not like you can easily recommend Ultrasones on threads where folks are simply asking for advice; either they haven't heard of them or there's the risk of getting shouted-down by some large-brand enthusiast who spent a couple of minutes with a Usone at a meet and decided that they're the worst thing ever.

But we can maintain our little discussions amongst ourselves, and perhaps some adventurously-inclined Head-Fiers might be intrigued enough to give these little wonders a fair shot. That's how I joined the Church of Florian (the headphone equivalent to Scientology? ), by scouring the archives here until I was ready to start this thread. And I'm so very glad I did!
post #148 of 5935
Soon I will ahve another baby here, so we will have more talking....
post #149 of 5935
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Soon I will ahve another baby here, so we will have more talking....
Then I can watch YOU burn-in(')...
post #150 of 5935
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Originally Posted by Kees View Post
Then I can watch YOU burn-in(')...
The burn in has two components, as we all know, one is psycological, the other the actual burn in, in which the diaphragm loosens up a little bit, and tightens the sound of the driver....IMHO the most important and the one that takes longer is the psycological one, in which you get used to the new presentation, coloration, soundstage, details, and whatever you want to throw in here...of the new drivers, I usually do both together and listen the heapdhones while burning in...but in this case, given that I already know the drivers, and what to expect from the new presentation, headstage, dtails etc...my burn in will not be that long as others, anyway I estimate that a few days will be enough fro me, I have burn in a couple of Prolines already and the actual changes in the driver are not that big IME, It took me far more to get used to the new sound, more than three weeks IIRC....
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