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post #1 of 42
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EDDIE CURRENT ZANA DEUX

I’ve had my Zana for about two weeks as of the time I am writing these impressions. It maybe the most pleasant two weeks I’ve spent with a headphone amp. From a construction perspective, this amp is built like a tank. I’ve always liked the look of Eddie Current and Moth amps so it’s no surprise that this is no different for the Zana. I think I like the case for the Zana more than the one used for the HD25/300. It is a two box set up like the HD series amps. The amp does get warm which was expected. Craig told me about this in advance. He explained that the case acts as a heat sink. The amp is not as big as I originally expected. You can see in the picture that it is dwarfed by the Moth si2A3. The amp comes with the rectifier tube. The 6SL7 and 6C33-B tubes are purchased separately. Craig is carrying them at the moment. His price for the 6C33-B’s is cheaper than Upscale Audio, where I bought mine.







I have only used the HD-650/G52 and to a much lesser extent agile_one’s HP-2’s with the Zana. My cdp is a Rega Apollo. I’ve read in the SoFla mini meet thread that I have to try the K340 and Craig’s told me that the RS-1 is also recommended. Before discussing the music, I thought I would mention that this amp has the blackest background of any amp I’ve owned or heard. It is dead silent with both the HD-650 and HP-2. The amp drives both of them well. I’ve never been a fan of the HP-2. I’ve owned Grado products in the past and have always liked them but in the end I always return to the HD-650. I have to say that the HP-2’s sound great out of this amp. So much so, that I hope agile_one misses the upcoming meet so I can keep them longer (just kidding Gene). I need to try some RS-1’s with this amp at the meet.



One of the immediate things I notice about this amp is the incredible soundstage. Not only with the Senn’s but also with the HP-2’s. I don’t know if the HP-2’s are similar to other Grado cans in terms of soundstage. With this amp there is less of the in your head sound I am used to with Grados. There actually appears to be music that is outside the head, past the ears on either side. I am listening to Kind of Blue and there is a definite spreading out and separation from side to side with both headphones, the 650’s more so. The dynamics are excellent with both headphones and perhaps a bit better with the HP-2’s than the HD-650. There is no distortion from soft to loud and also between soft passages and louder passages. As a reference, I can’t get much past 2:00 with the Senns before it is just too loud and 12:00 with the HP-2’s. I normally listen between 9:00 and 10:00 with the Senns and about 8:30 and 9:00 with the HP-2’s. The dynamics are excellent across all ranges of music, from Jazz (Kind of Blue), Acoustic Blues (Muddy Waters – Folk Singer), Female Vocals (Madeleine Peyroux) and Rock (AC/DC –Live).

The bass response is excellent with either headphone. It goes deep, and tight. There is no muddiness or bloat. This cuts across pretty much all the music I’ve listened to with the amp over the last two weeks. I have some Bad Plus on at the moment that I feel is a challenge to both amp and headphone when it comes to bass. Both headphones handle it equally well. The highs are equally well controlled. The amp appears to be well balanced. There doesn’t seem to be an emphasis in either direction. There is absolutely nothing etched about the highs. If there is a significant roll off, high or low, I haven’t noticed it. Cymbals sound like cymbals with the right amount of decay. There is a very realistic quality to the sound.

Vocals, male and female, are another strong point of this amp. I am fan of Madeleine Peyroux. I just love her voice. You hear every lip smack and breath she takes. The same applies with the plucking of an upright bass notes or the strumming of an acoustic guitar. You get every little detail that adds the overall realistic quality to the music. With Muddy Waters you hear the throatiness of his voice.

Imaging is excellent. The instruments and vocals appear to have their own space and place in the soundstage. There is a nice air about the instruments, more noticeable in the smaller jazz groupings (trio, quartet) and in blues, like Muddy Waters. Even with busier music, like rock, you don’t lose the sense of placement but it’s never the same as with jazz or acoustic blues, imo, which I find characteristic of all amps. Where this one excels is in the degree to which it handles this. I don’ listen to classical music so I am not going to even try to determine how the Zana handles orchestral music.

I have to say that my overall experience has been even better than I had anticipated. My expectations were high considering the many favorable impressions I’ve read about the prototypes of this amp up to the more recent impressions at the SoCal meet. I have not been disappointed. This amp lives up to the hype and even surpasses it. This is maybe one of the best single ended amps I’ve heard. With the 650’s, there is an almost balanced like presentation which is most evidenced by the incredible soundstage. I haven’t heard everything out there and I am sure there are other amps that are as good at various price levels. However, this is one that needs to be considered at a price in excess of what I paid ($1590) and beyond the price of the next production run (either $1900 or $1990). I am not as animated as some reviewers (markl) and can’t write a review as good as others (recstar24, markl) so the best way for me to describe my feeling about this amp is to say it kicks a**. The amp just immerses you in the music. It makes you want to get home and just start listening. In the end, isn't that the purpose. The fact that I have to choose between the Zana/Headphones and Moth/Speakers speaks volumes about the enjoyment I am getting from this amp. I also want to add that it has been a pleasure dealing with Craig. He is always an e-mail or phone call away and never too far, I might add. We need to give Craig credit for bringing us such great amps. He should get and deserves this communities support.
post #2 of 42
Great impressions tyrion, glad to see your having a good time. She sure is a beauty. Hopefully in the future I will get a chance to hear a Zana.
post #3 of 42
Great review! I can't tell you how much (as a very critical listener to classical) I appreciate that you didn't throw some on and give an uninformed opinion of the Zana's ability to drive it correctly! Is that an RCA 5691 red base that your using? It sounds like the ZD is everything we all hoped it would be. Craig already has my deposit for the second run and I strongly agree that we should support him. I have an EC01 and after almost a year, I'm still impressed with the pleasure I get from listening to it.
I'd like to second the comment on Craigs excellent customer service. I'm aways surprised when I don't get a response to an email till the next day no matter how late I send mine. When I've had problems he has simply sent me a new unit!( I burned a resistor by putting in the wrong tube type, then Fed Ex damaged the replacement unit) So I've been a one man customer service nightmare and Craig has bent over backwards to make me happy. I really love the way he lets his fans know the inside workings of what he's working on and his future plans. I'm know this has resulted in headaches too as his comments get twisted and embellished as they always will in open forums like these. I think we're very lucky to have designers like Craig to keep that bleeding edge bleeding. Less dedicated folks would have given up after the hd25.
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It appears to have a red base that says RCA but I can't make out anything more. It's jp11801's tube so hopefully he will chime in. I'm waiting for a brown base, black glass 6SU7 (I think that is what it is) that I got off ebay.

I don't know much about anything and less about classical music.

Craig does like to discuss his projects and opinions on audio.
post #5 of 42
Great review, Mike. It's great we'll have this at next month's meet so more can see and hear it. I know I am very excited at the prospect. Glad to hear the HP2's do well with it.
post #6 of 42
great review, amp looks great!

I'd love to know some of your impressions of this amp with rs1's too ; ).
post #7 of 42
Wow, mike fantastic impressions and nicely articulated. I enjoyed the read; well done. Thanks. Makes me want to listen to a ZD.
post #8 of 42
Hummmm! Something rings a bell here for me. Something sounds so familiar like I heard it myself. Hummm!
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Nice review Mike.
post #9 of 42
great review
post #10 of 42
Nice review overall, but I'd have to disagree with the soundstaging and air. These were clearly not strengths of the ZD (compared to the balanced Dynamight). There was hardly any air between instruments and instrument location in terms of depth was not easily identified, if at all. However, I suppose this is a problem with tube amps such as the MPX3, which I hear has even less soundstage. In addition, the soundstage of the ZD was like putting every instrument exactly 5 feet away from one's head.

Other than that, good read.
post #11 of 42
Different sources could result in varied impression. And it’s easier to identify this or that when you have the opportunity to A/B back-to-back. The differences I noticed between my amp and the dynahi (dynamite) were immediately greater after listening to one and then the other than when just listening intently to one for an extended period.
post #12 of 42
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Originally Posted by daba
Nice review overall, but I'd have to disagree with the soundstaging and air. These were clearly not strengths of the ZD (compared to the balanced Dynamight). There was hardly any air between instruments and instrument location in terms of depth was not easily identified, if at all. However, I suppose this is a problem with tube amps such as the MPX3, which I hear has even less soundstage. In addition, the soundstage of the ZD was like putting every instrument exactly 5 feet away from one's head.

Other than that, good read.
I don't think that tube amps have any problem with soundstage per se. With my limited headphone experience, it seems that the headphone has much more impact on soundstage than the amplifier. I listen to K340s driven by a SLAM PPX3. It has a very wide soundstage, but I think it is due more to the K340s than the PPX3. I've also not heard a headphone setup that comes close to decent speaker setup as far as soundstage is concerned.

Of course, I also think that soundstage is very overrated as far as audiophile listening goes and is mostly an artifact of the recording process. With most live music, you only get an idea of sound stage when sitting very close listening to small groups playing music, such as a string quartet. When listening to a symphony orchestra, I find that while I can distiguish the sections, it's virtually impossible to separate out instruments and the "air" between them. With rock, there's virtually no soundstage. I was at a Who concert last night at the Hollywood Bowl. It was a wall of sound, albeit a great wall of sound. Soundstage was a total nonentity.

I think that timbre, attack and decay are much more important to try to reproduce live music. I've never heard any audio system that could be mistaken for live music, but that's never stopped me from enjoying it either.
post #13 of 42
Soundstaging is not overrated. Granodemostasa and I compared the dynamight and the ZD back to back out of the same equipment and the differences were easily discernable. Check it: http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205406
post #14 of 42
I'm not saying that it doesn't exist in audio systems. What I'm saying is that for most music it exists more there than in equivalent live music and is mostly an artifact of how the performance was recorded. In the vast majority of live music, the pinpoint imaging that most audiophiles crave just doesn't exist.

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't think it's important if you like it. We should all listen to the sound we like. Soundstage isn't all that important to me. It sounds like it is to you.
post #15 of 42
calm down.... calm down... this isn't a classical review; so lay off the soundstage.
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