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I'm stopping "Tweaking"

post #1 of 17
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Here is the reason why:

20 years ago I purchased a product to listen to the music and whatever equipment it was I always thoroughly enjoyed the music to the degree that the "equipment" rendered itself invisible... it had an on / off switch... the music and the sense of euphoria the music gave off was all I knew.

20 years on and I find myself listening to the equipment instead of the music. Trying to tweak this and tweak that to recapture what, at one time, came naturally irrespective of what source / amplifier I was using.

It's sad for me to admit but I'm not willing to spend any more money trying to recapture the sounds that filled me with emotion in my youth.... it is a pointless exercise.

I can't generalise but ,personally speaking, once you hit 40 the elements of music that used to bring the goose pimples up on your neck 20 years ago are but a distant memory these days.

From now on I'm just gonna listen and accept the fact that I've become old instead of throwing money away on pointless "upgrades"

Pinkie
post #2 of 17
PinkFloyd,
I am older than you. If you think you can tweak and upgrade you back to the good, old days you have made a mistake. You must find a new balance in life and understand that you cannot return back. This doesn't mean that your musical experience must be less intense, but probably different. Equipment is a means but creates not this experience. Once, you have found a new perspective, I think you will revive moments of the old. They will come sometimes but not at will. For me the old musical experiences are important and I can sometimes feel nearly at place, but as if I were there now and not when 20 years old.
post #3 of 17
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Hi Anders

Yep, I tend to agree with what you say about getting a new perspective.. will that improve the sound?

post #4 of 17
Stop tweaking and just buy a whole new system!

You know how you were going to retire at 65 and move to florida, well just retire at 70 and move to Alaska instead...

Biggie.
post #5 of 17
Pinkie,

I know exactly what you are saying. I remember before the Internet and before these Forums; I only used 1 pair of headphones and listened to them through my Receiver for years!! and Yes, I did enjoy my music!!

But, on the other hand; since discovering Headphone Amps and better quality headphones, the "Sound" has definitely gotten better.

As far as the "Tweaking" goes, I do agree with you. For me also, I find that the tweaking can really drive me nuts!! I'd rather just stick to 1 amp, 1 source and maybe no more than 2 or 3 pairs of good headphones.
post #6 of 17
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Originally posted by Magic77
Pinkie,

I know exactly what you are saying. I remember before the Internet and before these Forums; I only used 1 pair of headphones and listened to them through my Receiver for years!! and Yes, I did enjoy my music!!

But, on the other hand; since discovering Headphone Amps and better quality headphones, the "Sound" has definitely gotten better.

As far as the "Tweaking" goes, I do agree with you. For me also, I find that the tweaking can really drive me nuts!! I'd rather just stick to 1 amp, 1 source and maybe no more than 2 or 3 pairs of good headphones.
Yep..

Too much information is a dangerous thing... ignorance is bliss. When I announced I was stopping tweaking I meant it but today... the strangest thing happened, and I swear on the bible it's true (I don't believe in god anyways so that's no guarantee but believe me it's true)

Check it out: http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...threadid=21180

Is that weird or what??
post #7 of 17
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Cheers to the guy who e-mailed me an called me a "complete W*nker" cause I have tried to improve the sound of my equipment.

Oh well... I suppose it's better than being an "incomplete W*nker"

Pinkie
post #8 of 17
I think what you are saying is that HiFi Audio is no longer your hobby, and you are somewhat sad about it, but you are looking forward to spending your money elsewhere. Am I catching your drift?
post #9 of 17
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Originally posted by Andrew Pielet
I think what you are saying is that HiFi Audio is no longer your hobby, and you are somewhat sad about it, but you are looking forward to spending your money elsewhere. Am I catching your drift?
Dunno what I'm saying to honest! I keep having on / off days and am very undecided about a lot of things at the moment. I think they call it "mid life crisis" :-)

Probably it's just that I'm never satisfied.... I would love to be able to just take something out of the box, plug it in, and be content with it but I just can't do that

I usually unpack something and immediately open it up to see whats inside the casework. Yep, very sad indeed!

Pinkie
post #10 of 17
You belong in an asylum (If you know what I mean).
http://www.audioasylum.com/index.html
post #11 of 17

Re: I'm stopping "Tweaking"

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Originally posted by PinkFloyd
20 years on and I find myself listening to the equipment instead of the music. Trying to tweak this and tweak that to recapture what, at one time, came naturally irrespective of what source / amplifier I was using.
I know what you mean. I remember coming home from school (elementary and on) and listening to my Father's records on a turntable that he had bought at the Goodwill. The music, for lack of any better words, touched my soul. Fast forward about 12 or 13 years when a co-worker introduced me to hi-end audio. At first, I couldn't imagine enough improvement to justify the cost. Fast forward 2 or 3 years and the thought of spending many thousands of dollars on a single component wasn't so horrifying. Tweaks such as cones, shelves, bladders, racks, sorbothane, etc. had found a special place in my heart. I had found the Audiogon, Head-Fi, HomeTheaterForum, HeadWise, SoundStage, and StereoTimes web-sites and I couldn't help visiting each of them several times a day! Glowing reviews of components and tweaks abounded. I'd read a review and afterwards listen to my system in disgust that it couldn't perform comparably after I'd spent thousands of dollars. The equipment become an obession. The music had begun to lose its magic. But, there was light at the end of the tunnel.


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It's sad for me to admit but I'm not willing to spend any more money trying to recapture the sounds that filled me with emotion in my youth.... it is a pointless exercise.

I can't generalise but ,personally speaking, once you hit 40 the elements of music that used to bring the goose pimples up on your neck 20 years ago are but a distant memory these days.
Oh, I don't know about that. At least for me anyway. I believe that I have been successful in recapturing at least the sense of wonder and joy in listening to music. Perhaps it is with different genres than in my youth - that is to be expected since we, hopefully, change in our expectations, attitudes, and knowledge with age.

That light at the end of the tunnel I spoke of was a financial crisis that resulted in my selling nearly my entire audio system. I managed to save only a pair of headphones, my SACD player, the audio rack, and a pair of cables (plus a few sets of cones). Reduced to listening to music at work on my computer's CD player I began to realise that this whole journey should have been about the music, not the equipment. As you can see from my profile I was able to assemble a modest headphone system. To be honest, I no longer have to same fire to upgrade endlessly and often. That isn't to say that I don't, or will never, upgrade. But now, I always think about how much music I could buy with the money I would spend on *any* upgrade. The result is that I have bought more music in the last three months than in the prior 2 years!

I don't know what it will take for you to recapture the "goose pimples", but I know I can happen. Well, I'll stop rambling now. I hope this makes sense and provides some hope.
post #12 of 17
Your on the right path now, Pinkie! When the gear becomes more important then the music, your not enjoying your system. My suggestion- start digging out your favorite tunes, and get back to the music.
post #13 of 17
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Re: Re: I'm stopping "Tweaking"

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Originally posted by Gallaine
I know what you mean. I remember coming home from school (elementary and on) and listening to my Father's records on a turntable that he had bought at the Goodwill. The music, for lack of any better words, touched my soul. Fast forward about 12 or 13 years when a co-worker introduced me to hi-end audio. At first, I couldn't imagine enough improvement to justify the cost. Fast forward 2 or 3 years and the thought of spending many thousands of dollars on a single component wasn't so horrifying. Tweaks such as cones, shelves, bladders, racks, sorbothane, etc. had found a special place in my heart. I had found the Audiogon, Head-Fi, HomeTheaterForum, HeadWise, SoundStage, and StereoTimes web-sites and I couldn't help visiting each of them several times a day! Glowing reviews of components and tweaks abounded. I'd read a review and afterwards listen to my system in disgust that it couldn't perform comparably after I'd spent thousands of dollars. The equipment become an obession. The music had begun to lose its magic. But, there was light at the end of the tunnel.




Oh, I don't know about that. At least for me anyway. I believe that I have been successful in recapturing at least the sense of wonder and joy in listening to music. Perhaps it is with different genres than in my youth - that is to be expected since we, hopefully, change in our expectations, attitudes, and knowledge with age.

That light at the end of the tunnel I spoke of was a financial crisis that resulted in my selling nearly my entire audio system. I managed to save only a pair of headphones, my SACD player, the audio rack, and a pair of cables (plus a few sets of cones). Reduced to listening to music at work on my computer's CD player I began to realise that this whole journey should have been about the music, not the equipment. As you can see from my profile I was able to assemble a modest headphone system. To be honest, I no longer have to same fire to upgrade endlessly and often. That isn't to say that I don't, or will never, upgrade. But now, I always think about how much music I could buy with the money I would spend on *any* upgrade. The result is that I have bought more music in the last three months than in the prior 2 years!

I don't know what it will take for you to recapture the "goose pimples", but I know I can happen. Well, I'll stop rambling now. I hope this makes sense and provides some hope.
I couldn't have put it better if I tried. You've summed my problem up in a nutshell. Thing is I can't find any music worth listening to these days..... unless you know something I don't?

Thanks for that... it's good to know I ain't the only one that's suffered.

BTW these JJ E88CC (rave review) valves have been in the X-Can V2 for 2 weeks now and, irrespective of my middle age crisis, they are absolutely "DIRE" IMHO.... Jesus .... if these are indicative of the Rave reviews they have received then everyone else must be deaf or are on a review "placebo". There is always the possibility the valves are at fault however in which case I apologise for calling you deaf!.

I am totally UNDERWHELMED by the JJ E88CC. Where is this "out of the head" soundstage and "earth shattering bass" etc etc etc.

To my ears they "homoginise" the sound into a "mushy" very "distant" but very easy to listen sound which is "smooth" but ever so "uninvolving". The JAN / Philips may sound "harsh" but they portray the sound so so much more naturally....

I'm sure there is a valve that will better the stock tubes but..IMHO.... the JJ's are a "downgrade" on the philips.

Sorry Nick but I strongly disagree that these valves make a vast improvement.

Distant, uninvolving, flat and crap is my review.... £19 wasted.

Pinkie
post #14 of 17
I have had this same discussion about five years ago with the infamous Rupert Neve. I told him I now have trouble listening to music for long periods of time. When I was young I would come home from school and listen to hours of music from Alan Parsons Project to Frank Zappa, and really enjoy every minuit of it.

He said that he had heard the same story many times, and believed it is a result of PCM encoding. At the time he thought that when we reached 24 bit/192khz the problem would go away. I had all of my LPs stolen from a storage facillity several years ago, so I have not had the opportunity to confirm his opinion.

The bright star on the horizon could be DSD. According to reviews with top studio engineers on Direct Stream Digital, we may get our ears back. One said that he got a headache the first time he listened to a CD and now that he has been working in DSD the headache has finally gone away. I for one hope he is right

I have always enbraced the digital technology for it's low noise floor, great seperation, and non-existant wow and flutter, but something has definitly been missing. Just maybe we CAN have both.

Brad Harper
post #15 of 17
Pinkie,

I've never changed the Valves in my X-Can v2 and they sound fine to me!! I also don't understand why most people think the stock valves are crap?? I don't hear crap!! I guess it's the "Tweaking Syndrome".

Not to say that a different pair of Tubes could not make make an improvement; but I don't think the originals are as bad as most people say.
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