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post #16 of 20
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Now just because you heard and didn’t like the W2002 does not mean they are a bad headphone, it just means they weren’t to your taste. I would say there are plenty of people here that would say they blow your 580’s out of the water but they don’t pounce on you for expressing your opinion.
Just for the record, I never said that that the W2002's were a "bad headphone", just that I wouldn't trade my Senn's for them.

But since you brought up the aspect of "total cost of ownership" of headphones, which would include at least an amp, I would go out on a not-so-fragile limb and say that if anyone were to compare the $750 (or more) W2002's by themselves (no amp), to the HD580's with a $300-500 amp, they would agree that the Senn's do blow the A-T's out of the water. Of course this is unfair too, but you brought it up.

My main point is that you feel cheated that the Senn's lured you in because of their entry-level pricepoint, and feel there are other cans that are better suited at that price. If all you want to do is spend $150 and be done with it all, I guess I could agree with you. But I would say that they are a bargain and allow someone to get into decent sound inexpensively, and preserve their purchase as they (inevitably, IMO) get better equipment around them.

I think we basically agree on the "data", just differ on our perspective on its worth to each of us.
post #17 of 20
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jpelg,

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Just for the record, I never said that that the W2002's were a "bad headphone", just that I wouldn't trade my Senn's for them.
Sorry, I got the impression because you said you didn't like them that you were saying they were a bad headphone, it was just an analogy anyhow. But I think you can see what I mean because I've never said the 580's were a bad headphone either, just that they weren't for me personally as the W2002's weren't for you.
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But since you brought up the aspect of "total cost of ownership" of headphones, which would include at least an amp, I would go out on a not-so-fragile limb and say that if anyone were to compare the $750 (or more) W2002's by themselves (no amp), to the HD580's with a $300-500 amp, they would agree that the Senn's do blow the A-T's out of the water. Of course this is unfair too, but you brought it up.
I'm not quite sure how you figure I opened up that can of worms.
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My main point is that you feel cheated that the Senn's lured you in because of their entry-level pricepoint, and feel there are other cans that are better suited at that price. If all you want to do is spend $150 and be done with it all, I guess I could agree with you. But I would say that they are a bargain and allow someone to get into decent sound inexpensively, and preserve their purchase as they (inevitably, IMO) get better equipment around them.
I don't feel cheated in the least. I'm not bitter or resentful. I bought them unheard with the hope that they would suit me. They didn't so I let them go so I could try something else. I did get a bit annoyed by people who jumped down my throat because I asked what alternatives there are based on what I liked and disliked about the 580's. Not everyone will like the character of the 580/600's thats just a fact of life. I realize I'm in the minority in this and that it might change if I ever hear a true high end 580/amp/source combo. But why on earth would I hang on to a headphone that I wasn't really listening to because some people on a webboard say I can get it to sound the way I want with upgrades that could take years to realize before I found the magic combo. In a way it's like my Swans, I had the opportunity to get them at a bargain price when I worked for the company so I took it. They are no where near their potential in my current setup but I still enjoy what I do get out of them despite the budget components. If I had been able to enjoy the 580's in this manner I would have kept them and enjoyed them and upgraded around them.
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I think we basically agree on the "data", just differ on our perspective on its worth to each of us.
Actually I don't think we differ all that much jpelg. I don’t really think it’s a difference in perspective of worth but a difference in circumstances but I could be wrong.
post #18 of 20
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Originally posted by elnero
MacDEF,

I know it's hard for some people here to fathom that some people can't or won't spend the type of money required to make the 580's really shine. The point of my posting this thread was to give people an idea of how well the 580's work with lower end equipment.
elnero, I wasn't responding to your post, which I appreciated. I was responding to wallijonn's assertion that the "true" quality of a headphone is measured by testing it on "average" equipment, which makes no sense.


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I thought I made it quite clear that I thought they were a decent headphone that would only get better with upgrades. That said I think a lot of people come here looking for advice on a decent quality headphone and have no intention of putting the kind of money into it that would be required to really make the 580’s shine. In that case I think there may be better headphones in the price range for their purposes.
Trust me, I've been saying the same thing since long before you joined our happy family If a person has no intention of buying a dedicated amp, or getting a good source, there are better values than the HD 600, and even the HD 580.
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
Sorry MacDEF, me bad I apologize I should not have directed that at you, it was more of a response to jpelg's agreement to your post but was more of a rant than anything.
post #20 of 20
A very cost-effective solution for me was HD 580s, porta corda, stock cable. My portable players had just adequate volume, but I feared I was pushing the amp to the limit, which I know is bad for loudspeakers, and I fear it can be bad for the headphones. Much better to have an amp with reserve capacity than to underdrive speakers. So that's $120 for the headphones and $150 for the amp, so $270. And IMHO, you're already in OMG freaky good territory. And you can use the amp for your other phones too. So that's where I'd put the entry price of getting the HD 580s to sound great with a portable player or other source with a weak headphone amp.

Now if you have a decent receiver and a normal ($100 or more) component CD player, and don't mind being glued to the receiver, for my taste, you're going to get awesome freaky good sound from the HD 580s without spending another red cent, IMHO. For my taste, it DESTROYS the V6s and the HD 497s, and the beats the SR 60s out by a good margin. And let me tell you, the V6s, 497s, and SR 60s are each already awesome, IMHO.
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