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post #1 of 21
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Super.fi 5 Review

Let me start off by telling you some background about me and my listening preferences/habits. If you don’t care and just want to get to it, skip a bit to where the review starts

I favor a full sound with lots of bass and treble. I don’t really like a warm sound, I like clear definition while still sounding full. However I especially don’t like an overly cold and bright sound!

I have an extensive musical background; I’ve played clarinet in wind symphonies, orchestras and such for years, including my 5 years playing at college. I also play guitar, mostly all styles except for polka…. So you will have to pardon me if I use musical adjective that might be better suited for an orchestra.

I like rock music, but can appreciate most music!




Most of the reviews around the internet regarding the super.fi 5 are in comparisons to other IEMs, most to the Shure E4c. While I cannot give a comparison to the E4c, I will do my best to compare it to the Grado SR60. I realize that this is not an apples to apples comparison, but I’d like to provide some sort of frame of reference for other readers.

Methods:
I used both my Macbook pro – 2.0 Ghz intel core duo with both iTunes and VLC player to listen to tracks as well as a 80 GB 5.5 gen iPod. Equalization was set on Latin on the iPod and iTunes. VLC was EQ’d at Techno, but I lowered the higher frequencies a bit.

The super.fi 5s were listened to using the FS mod (where you put the headphones in backwards and switch the cables as outlined on the ultimate ears website) because it is more comfortable to me. The sound is about the same to my ears. The small single flange earpieces were used.

Tracks listened to include:

Songs
Tender Surrender by Steve Vai
Bitch Niggaz by Dr. Dre
Woozy by Ludacris
Gorillas by Jedi Mind Tricks
Musique a Grand Vitesse by Michael Nyman
Stardust by Nat King Cole
You could be mine by Guns N’ Roses

Albums
Some Devil by Dave Matthews
Mer de Norms by A Perfect Circle
The Piano Soundtrack by Michael Nyman






Overview & General Grado SR60 comparison

I like the Super.fi 5. It is the best listening device I’ve heard as of yet. It is a robust, full sounding, dark, meaty sounding headphone. Its natural state is a little dark for my tastes, and I’d have liked to hear more higher frequency presence, sparkle and transparency.

Its greatest assest is it’s full sound – thick, full, and natural. Compared to the Grado SR60, the super.fi 5 has a smaller soundstage, less brightness, much more kick, maybe a bit less deep deep bass (as evidenced on Bitch Niggaz by Dr. Dre) and a more “live”, organic sound. Vocals were reproduced much better on the super.fi with proper equalization. One especially huge standout was “Stardust” by Nat King Cole. I marveled at the super.fi’s ability to render Nat King Cole’s voice with so much authority deepness – especially when he dipped into his lower register! In comparison, the Grados sounded cheap and tinny.

Unfortunately, this full sound can drag down the top end and make things sound a little warm and rolled off. That’s good or bad depending on you. With proper equalization one can get a very nice full, thick, yet very detailed sound.

Sound:

Bass – The bass on the super.fi 5 is very good. Deep bass gives a good expansive boom, like on Woozy by Ludacris. Some bass is a little too deep for the super.fi 5 to reach, like on Bitch Niggaz by Dr. Dre; my car stereo can make that super deep bass rumble, but it is just barely out of reach for the super.fis. Not a big deal in my opinion. Drum kicks and higher frequency bass is really quite good – punchy and robust. Gorillas by Jedi Mind Tricks has a cool bassline and it is quite nice and juicy sounding on the super.fis. Bass doesn’t seem to be improved much when you plug it into a computer and use VLC or iTunes compared to the iPod – which is a very good thing (to me at least). The Grados on the other hand, really come alive when used with VLC or iTunes. I think they are a bit lackluster on the iPod. Music with a lot of impact doesn’t come apart of distort either, unlike the Grados or some other headphones I’ve used with the iPod – a big plus.

Midrange – The super.fi 5 is a thick sounding headphone. This thickness comes from the super.fi’s pleasant midrange. The midrange is dark, warm, moist, and quite well represented. It isn’t airy, dry or expansive like the Grados, instead it is present and authoritative and a bit wet sounding without being cheap and honky. On the Michael Nyman tracks this is expressed quite nicely. One can hear contrapuntal melodies and intricate harmonies much more readily in Nyman’s compositions with the super.fis than on the Grados.

I was surprised to hear such a high degree of resonance in these headphones. Overdriven guitars have great cabinet ‘thunk when low distorted power chords are struck. Electric guitars have great dynamics and colorful sound with the super.fi 5. The midrange just has good tone. It makes guitars come alive and sing; especially Tender Surrender and other guitar-laden tracks.

Nat King Cole sounded awesome on these headphones! I was just stunned with how well the super.fi 5 reproduced his voice. WOW! I can’t really use a cool adjective to explain it. That dude can sing.

Treble – I view treble as the only detractor of these headphones. Since these are warm sounding headphones, the treble is pleasant, and to most ears, probably excellent. Since I prefer a full bass/treble sound, I would prefer a bit more bright, glassy top end. When I apply some more treble to the Latin curve in iTunes, the sound REALLY opens up. This is especially true on the Nyman tracks, Jedi Mind Tricks, A Perfect Circle and to some degree, Some Devil. The other songs all sounded just a little bit better with the added treble. These are definitely not transparent and bright sounding earphones like the Grados, instead they make vocals sound very natural, warm and well supported.

Since I do most of my listening on my iPod and cannot customize an EQ setting (grrr) I am a bit ambivalent to the treble. So If you are an iPod owner who favors a warm sound these are the ticket. I feel that these would be excellent for any other mp3 player

Detail – Oh yes, these are very detailed! I can hear singers wavering on their pitch as they end their notes, hear musicians turning pages, finger noise, etc. Much more detailed than the Grados.

Comfort – These are pretty comfortable – not quite as comfortable as my Sony EXP51-LPs, but still rather comfortable. Since I use the FS mod to listen to these headphones, everyone’s comfort level will differ. I can wear them for 2-4 hours if I’d like. Sometimes my ears get a bit tired though.


Conclusion:
I like these headphones a lot. They would be perfect for my if I could just squeeze a bit more treble out of them with my iPod. For home use with a computer, they really are champs, so are the Grado SR60s. The midrange is thick, natural and warm, yet still detailed. Due to the above praise and the excellent reproduction of bass on the iPod with the super.fi 5s, I think these are utterly fantastic headphones the iPod or any computer. I really see them equally suited for any musical preference.
post #2 of 21
Nice review of the 5 pros. I like them too, but for me the mids were just too deep, and unfortunately I could not eq them to sound right with my 2gen Nano. So took a stab with the Westone Um2 and must say I am quite pleased. Lots of midrange detail, and by using the classical eq setting, which adds oomph to the lows and sparkle to the highs, they are the most pleasing iems I have listened to.

But the Superfi 5pro is considerably cheaper than the Westone...


Ply
post #3 of 21

Just get an Iaudio G3 and PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Captain, excellent review. I'm also in love with my Superfi5pros. Thanks to them I learned to LOVE JAZZ ( female singers).
I agree with you, they are dark in the top end, just like the top Sennheisers. With some types of music the treble sounds just perfect ( jazz), unfortunately with rock it would be nice for them to have about 4db gain in the top end. However, I understand that sometimes a picky treble can mess the mids with the horrendous sibilance, ssssss, zzzzzz.
I used to buid my portable set up around my Ipod. Unfortunately, due to the lack of CUSTOM EQ, I sold it and I purchased a COWON IAUDIO G3, which is WONDERFUL and cheap($115 ). 13mw per channel, 95db N/R (dead silent), 2 GB flash memory, tiny ( about the size of 3 AA batteries together), uses one AA ( 50 hours of playback), 5 band eq up to 16 khz (0 to 28 db/gain), BBE, etc.......
The bottom line is, with my current portable set up, I have a pair of Senns, and Emmeline Xp7 and a Nad C542 that I barely use....... go figure.
post #4 of 21
I use treble booster on my 5G and my UE 5 pros

It helps

I would just like a tad more isolation so I might end up sellingthe UE and going for the UM2's I just need to find a decent price for them some where
post #5 of 21
nice review...if only ipods had better sound output...when listening to music on my computer or on my N91 i feel sorry for people using ipod...
post #6 of 21
I too loved your review captainbrendo. I have not yet heard the super-fi 5 pros. But hope to get a chance soon. I plan to make a trip to the Guitar Center to see if I can give them a listen. They are a bit out of my price range right now but I've heard really good things about them.
post #7 of 21
The slightly recessed highs are EXACTLY what I like about the super.fi's. I hate headphones that are too bright. Drives me nuts.

This has enough top end for me, and it lets me listen for a long time without fatigue.

Maybe you will get used to it after awhile?
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by 3DCadman
The slightly recessed highs are EXACTLY what I like about the super.fi's. I hate headphones that are too bright. Drives me nuts.

This has enough top end for me, and it lets me listen for a long time without fatigue.

Maybe you will get used to it after awhile?

Lol, You and a buddy of mine must be twins. He love the rolled off sound of the 5pros, but hated the brightness of the um2...


Ply
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

rolled off highs

well I'm glad that I'm not hearing things with the rolled off highs. Thanks for the positive feedback y'all. I need to go to sleep now, I hav ehad alot to drink. To those that didn't like the rolled off highs, what did you get insteead, or did you keep the super.fis????
post #10 of 21
I find UM2 treble is rolled off and Super.Fi 5 Pro treble is sparkling haha. But it's also depending on the tips used.
I'm using etymotic foamies with Super.Fi 5 Pro and the high is slightly rolled off but the midrange is more pronounced very nice.
post #11 of 21
Nice review. I think the EB's probably sound exactly the same but with more bass and the ability to reach lower notes in the bass. Try the treble boost EQ on the iPod, that's what I do.
post #12 of 21
I agree that the Superfi. 5 pro is full. It’s definitely punchy when it needs to be as well. As for high frequency extension or lack thereof, the chosen music can seriously expose weaknesses with this IEM; i.e. jumbled mosh pit stuff with too many instruments fighting for dominant passages of unmelodic dissonance; which brings me to a selected recording for this review.

Oh yes, what a wonderful music track selection, "Bitch Niggaz by Dr. Dre”. I see Dr. Dre’s usage of dysphemisms are every-bit as odious and tasteless as ever.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Tenchi211
I too loved your review captainbrendo. I have not yet heard the super-fi 5 pros. But hope to get a chance soon. I plan to make a trip to the Guitar Center to see if I can give them a listen. They are a bit out of my price range right now but I've heard really good things about them.
Hate to burst your bubble, oh fellow Californian, but that's where I purchased my sf5pros from. I took a gamble, which paid off for me highly by buying them there, because Guitar Center has a policy: no IEM previews. They don't let anyone sample them, and this is for sanitary reasons. All their IEMs are in sealed boxes ready to sell, and the only way you can take them back is if they don't work. I suppose you could make them not work, but then you would just have to send them to UE and you'd get a replacement anyway, not a refund.

Gamble on, they sound awesome! I just took a bigger gamble on the triple.fi.
post #14 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenchi211
I too loved your review captainbrendo. I have not yet heard the super-fi 5 pros. But hope to get a chance soon. I plan to make a trip to the Guitar Center to see if I can give them a listen. They are a bit out of my price range right now but I've heard really good things about them.
Purchase the Ultimate Ears from HeadRoom which allows for a 30-day return policy.
post #15 of 21
Thanks for the head's-up about the Guitar Center IPodPJ! And thanks to both you and Usagi for the Headroom reccomendation. I may take advantage of their trade-in program and trade my Super-fi EBs for a pair of Super-fi5 Pros. I knew I should've waited to buy the 5Pros instead, even though the EBs are very enjoyable (definitely an improvement over my Sony EX71s which they replaced).
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