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post #361 of 376
No he means full-lenght movie. The thing is just split up for ease of uploading.
post #362 of 376
lol, wrapping the paper looks like a blanket for all those little parts inside
post #363 of 376
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Originally Posted by HumanMedia View Post
.....I have found ERS has an effect for me but it is subtle and I limit it to the inside chassis of DACS /CDP/DVD players.
I agree...I have heard small changes more like a "blackness" so I am a believer. However, I have limited my ERS exercises to lining the inner lid, tops of sources, and underneath sources. This seems to work fine for me. Besides, I have found that ERS paper is not inexpensive.
post #364 of 376
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I agree...I have heard small changes more like a "blackness" so I am a believer. However, I have limited my ERS exercises to lining the inner lid, tops of sources, and underneath sources. This seems to work fine for me. Besides, I have found that ERS paper is not inexpensive.
Ditto. For me it has a marginal effect, but an effect nonetheless, so I do use it for lining in the inner chassis of digital equipment. All these tweaks are cumulative. But there are many other bigger-bang-for-buck tweaks.

Also I dont know why ERS paper gets all of the attention. Carbon fibre sheeting does the same thing, but has far better attenuation of RFI and is an order of magnitude cheaper. (and Stealth aircraft arent lined with ERS to absorb radio signals, they are lined with carbon fibre...) I think there are even links to buy it earlier in this thread. It even comes in tubes which you can use to put cables through.
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Ditto. For me it has a marginal effect, but an effect nonetheless, so I do use it for lining in the inner chassis of digital equipment. All these tweaks are cumulative. But there are many other bigger-bang-for-buck tweaks.
Yes, the improvements are cumulative, the more ERS Paper the bigger the improvements! 100 sheets of ERS Paper ($2000) gave more for the price than any other tweak in my system. Amazing paper!
Wrapping a few sheets of ERS Paper and toilet paper rolls around the 1 meter Valhalla power cord for my DAC1 made a bigger improvement than Premier Power Plant ($2200). Premier added weaknesses while ERS Paper didn't, that's why ERS Paper is so good. It doesn't need to be upgraded later unless it burns up in a fire.


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Originally Posted by HumanMedia View Post
Also I dont know why ERS paper gets all of the attention. Carbon fibre sheeting does the same thing, but has far better attenuation of RFI and is an order of magnitude cheaper. (and Stealth aircraft arent lined with ERS to absorb radio signals, they are lined with carbon fibre...) I think there are even links to buy it earlier in this thread. It even comes in tubes which you can use to put cables through.
When I tried 2 layers of ERS Paper there was almost no difference compared to 1 layer. So the thin ERS Paper is good enough in my system. It's also easy to cut into smaller pieces so you can put it all over the place (jam the circuit boards). The soft ERS Paper is also great for cables because you can easily bend them.



Magix and ERS Paper


I still don't know which is the better bang for buck, Magix levitation feet or ERS Paper. They are both worth much more than I spent on them. Other tweaks (like power cords) are a waste of money because they add problems to the sound, it doesn't matter how big the difference is if it will be a bottleneck in later tweakings. Tweaks that don't add bottlenecks are the best values. Valhalla power cord is the biggest bottleneck in my system now, but I keep it because I like the way it worsens the sound, it gives a smooth and veiled flavor which makes it sound clean.

If there are brightness problems in the system you can fix it fast by veiling the sound with a power cord or pasting the ends with goo. But you will get muddiness problems later if you tweak with ERS Paper or Magix. It's better for the long-term to invest on tweaks that don't add any weaknesses.


Tweaks I have tried to fix brightness problems


PS Audio xStream Statement power cords (bottleneck 3 months later)
QuickSilver Contact Enhancer (bottleneck 1 year later)
Ultimate Outlet (bottleneck 1.5 years later)
P300 Power Plant (bottleneck 2 years later)
Nordost Valhalla power cords (bottleneck 2.5 years later)
Magix levitation feet (no bottleneck!)
ERS Paper (no bottleneck!)
post #366 of 376
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Partsconnexion has a 15% sale this month, so ERS Paper is cheap now. If I already didn't have my system fully wrapped I would buy a truck load of ERS Paper, it's that good.
post #367 of 376
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Partsconnexion has a 15% sale this month, so ERS Paper is cheap now. If I already didn't have my system fully wrapped I would buy a truck load of ERS Paper, it's that good.
You think that $2000 worth of ERS paper is worth a small change, if there even is one?

(note: 15% off still means you are paying a huge markup on that product)

Consider the costs to engineer such a product. You are making paper, that is impregnated with some metal fragment. The research team was likely one person that thought that it would make a real difference, or he saw a way to make money on a "tweak" and some people actually believe that it makes a significant difference.

I could be wrong, but it is going to take a lot of convincing to change my mind.
post #368 of 376
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Value of ERS Paper

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Originally Posted by Cheeser5 View Post
You think that $2000 worth of ERS paper is worth a small change, if there even is one?

(note: 15% off still means you are paying a huge markup on that product)

Consider the costs to engineer such a product. You are making paper, that is impregnated with some metal fragment. The research team was likely one person that thought that it would make a real difference, or he saw a way to make money on a "tweak" and some people actually believe that it makes a significant difference.

I could be wrong, but it is going to take a lot of convincing to change my mind.
If the audio system sounds bright because of enviromental influences it is better to fix those problems instead of hiding those problems by pouring cheap mud into the audio system. The mud is cheaper but also removes the details in the process.

With ERS Paper I haven't heard a reduction in performance no matter where I put it. Putting the paper anywhere will make it more dry, it's like it sucks out the water from the mud and leaves small grains of sand.

If the system is warm to begin with then the ERS Paper will make it sound too warm. That extra warmth in my system came from too thick cables, with thin cables I hear the most low-level detail and resolution. Thin cables without ERS Paper sounds edgy and fatiguing, but when they are wrapped with ERS Paper and toilet paper rolls they sound better than any other combo.

The only time ERS Paper made it worse was when I put it too close to my headphone cable like I tried earlier in this thread, it sounded muddy. The next time I tried it I used toilet paper rolls and it got better in every way. It seems like there's a constant 1cm field around the ERS Paper that tones down the surface details which makes the low-level details more audible. When I put the paper 1+cm from the headphone cable the surface details were toned up instead, and the improvement in low-level detail was huge. It got better in both directions, when I heard it the first time the price of ERS Paper felt very cheap.
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
If the audio system sounds bright because of enviromental influences it is better to fix those problems instead of hiding those problems by pouring cheap mud into the audio system. The mud is cheaper but also removes the details in the process.

With ERS Paper I haven't heard a reduction in performance no matter where I put it. Putting the paper anywhere will make it more dry, it's like it sucks out the water from the mud and leaves small grains of sand.

If the system is warm to begin with then the ERS Paper will make it sound too warm. That extra warmth in my system came from too thick cables, with thin cables I hear the most low-level detail and resolution. Thin cables without ERS Paper sounds edgy and fatiguing, but when they are wrapped with ERS Paper and toilet paper rolls they sound better than any other combo.

The only time ERS Paper made it worse was when I put it too close to my headphone cable like I tried earlier in this thread, it sounded muddy. The next time I tried it I used toilet paper rolls and it got better in every way. It seems like there's a constant 1cm field around the ERS Paper that tones down the surface details which makes the low-level details more audible. When I put the paper 1+cm from the headphone cable the surface details were toned up instead, and the improvement in low-level detail was huge. It got better in both directions, when I heard it the first time the price of ERS Paper felt very cheap.

Compared to your feet of silence they are. but still 100 quit for 4 small sheets of paper is still alot of money for most, especially when they think differences will be small. especially when you think about the fact that most won't even buy IC's for 100 quit or more.

I am willing to give em a try sooner or later. Will use em in the cdplayer. My amp is open from beneath so that won't work with ers paper.
post #370 of 376
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The adhesive version is $100 for 4 sheets. Without the adhesive it is $70 for 4 sheets, $60 with the 15% discount.
post #371 of 376
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The adhesive version is $100 for 4 sheets. Without the adhesive it is $70 for 4 sheets, $60 with the 15% discount.
patrick, somehow i doubt 1 package of 4 sheets will be enough for 1 cdplayer. So, it will more likely be around 200-300 dollars. Too much money for most head-fi regulars.

I will try some later, when i am finished modding and wanna do some final tweaks.
post #372 of 376
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Proof that ERS Paper works!

When I removed a sheet of ERS Paper from behind my rack I found a worm at the back of the sheet. It appears that he has lived there for a while. Has he been eating the ERS Paper or does he feel better when he is shielded from EMI? I guess these bugs are smarter than the skeptics. I can't wait to wrap myself!

post #373 of 376
I bet the worms makes your k1000 sound better.
post #374 of 376
I think they are Silverfish not worms.

But maybe they are just like the canary in the cage that the miners used to use, and that they are showing the lethal toxicity of living too close to so much ERS paper.
post #375 of 376
Patrick,
I really think you should try my tinfoil mod (which is posted in the "my cat tore my VD power cable" thread). It will take you 5 minutes.
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