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Mother (knocking on door): Patrick, what are you doing?
Patrick: Nothing.
Mother: You are playing with your ERS Paper again, aren't you?
Patrick: No.
Mother: Yes you are.
Patrick: No, I'm masturbating.
Mother: Yeah right. I can hear cutting and taping sounds.
Patrick: It's from my TV.
Mother: You don't have a TV anymore, you sold it!
Patrick: Go away! I want to tweak!!
Mother (enters the room): You need to go outside and get fresh air!
Patrick: I was outside yesterday.
Mother: You were just sticking your head out the window for two seconds!
Patrick: So?

(Mother starts dragging Patrick outside)

Patrick: Aaahhh my frail bones!
Mother: Some fresh air will make you think better, you will thank me.
Patrick: I get all the air I need from listening to my Valhalla cables!
Mother: It's not real!
Patrick: What? You...are...SKEPTIC??!!
Mother: ...

(Mother closes door and leaves Patrick outside)

(Patrick starts banging on door)

Patrick: Let me in! I need to tweak!!

(1 hour later police arrives)

Cop: Is there a problem here?
Patrick: Yes, I want to tweak my audio system but my mother doesn't let me!
Cop: You tweak what?
Patrick: My audio system.
Cop: I can't hear you, why are you whispering?
Patrick: I'm not whispering, this is my tweaking voice.
Cop: But you aren't tweaking now.
Patrick: No, but I'm thinking about it.
Cop: That is not a reason to call the police.
Patrick: Why?
Cop: That's not what we are for.
Patrick: But you have all the guns!

(Patrick starts grabbing police officer's gun)

Cop #2: Watch out!

(a loud cracking sound is heard when the cop breaks Patrick's arm)

Patrick: Aarrghhh!!!
Patrick: My...my...tweaking arm!

(Patrick faints to the ground)

(2 hours later Patrick wakes up)

Patrick: Where am I? Who are you?
Cell mate: Bend over!
Patrick: Hi, Ben. Do you like to tweak?
Cell mate: Yes.
LMAOROTFL

Bud u deserve you're own sitcom. ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX...u guyz listening???
post #317 of 376
Thank G-d you are not into surround sound.

Please, do not hurt yourself
post #318 of 376
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Too warm, but Valhalla fixes

Day1



Put a small ERS Paper sheet under each ICEpower amp module


First impressions: It sounds more relaxing, it is smoother and still more open and transparent. There is more low-level detail. Some of the brightness turned into more transients. There is more information in the attack and decay. I hear sounds I never heard before!

I didn't expect an audible improvement when using this little ERS Paper!



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Wrapped the Valhalla power cords for the amp


First impression: Synergy is messed up. Too warm. Sibilance is gone.


It seems like shielded power cords with a nude amp is the worst combo. EMI entering the amp rolls off the frequency extremes, but the nude power cords were compensating for it by adding brightness. Now when the extra brightness is gone, it sounds messed up.

Tomorrow I need to jam the ERS Paper inside the amp again. Based on previous experiments it should give extended frequencies.













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Day2



Jamming the amp


First impressions: The openness and transparency improved more than the smoothness. More low-level detail. More neutral and revealing. Decay is longer than before. More vocal information. Richer and fuller. Cleaner highs but not emphasized. Better in every way.










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Putting the tent on


First impressions: More low-level detail, clarity, transparency, bass and smoothness. Nothing is emphasized. It sounds boring.

The improvement from separating each component on the ICEpower module made a bigger difference.


I'm hearing extra low-level detail, but it's very quiet and dull, it's hard to hear it, it's just annoying. I need to change the Valkyrja interconnect into the edgy Valhalla that has less low-level detail. It should remove the dull low-level detail and give an illusion of openness and clarity.











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Slicing the Valhalla



Problem solved!!!!

I changed the interconnect from Valkyrja to Valhalla and everything was tighter and cleaner, but there is much less low-level detail. Maybe the Valhalla needs to be burned in again.
I'm surprised of the HUGE difference between those two wires. It's night and day!

With Valkyrja I was complaining of too much warmth, with Valhalla I'm complaining of too much coldness! OMG. Valhalla is an amazing band-aid. It's probably the only cable that works with a fully wrapped ERS Paper system.

Valhalla is a very colored cable. Both the interconnects and power cords remove low-level detail and add edginess to the sound which makes it sound clean and fast with fake transparency. The low-level detail is replaced with openness.


First impressions: Tighter, faster, colder. I'm hearing whiteness that sounds similar to sibilance, but it's smooth and cold. Everything is clean and tight. But a lot of low-level detail is missing. It sounds like there is nothing in front of the music. It's fake!



I had to slice open the Valhalla to hardwire it because it was too stiff otherwise.













post #319 of 376
I don't have that problem at all with valkyrja, Patrick. I use combination of different cables in my system.maybe a system full off valhalla or valkyrja isn't a good idea. Try to mix some different cables to get the right mix!
post #320 of 376
Your PM box is full tourmaline.
post #321 of 376
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Your PM box is full tourmaline.
oh, sorry, i will have a look and clear out the inbox.
post #322 of 376
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I'm not sure what to say. There are times when it seems like Patrick's account has been hijacked, or maybe he's just schizophrenic.
he's just being funny. LOL.
post #323 of 376
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Valkyrja is better than Valhalla

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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
I don't have that problem at all with valkyrja, Patrick. I use combination of different cables in my system.maybe a system full off valhalla or valkyrja isn't a good idea. Try to mix some different cables to get the right mix!
Valkyrja is a more neutral cable than Valhalla. I don't know what Nordost was thinking when they discontinued the Valkyrja. I don't know what they were thinking when they designed the Valhalla either, I guess they just found something by accident and started manufacturing it.

I use as much Valkyrja in my system as possible. If there is too much low-level detail in the system, then Valhalla is a good band-aid to remove it. ERS Paper neutrally removes brightness from the sound, and Valhalla artificially adds edginess to the sound. ERS Paper + Valhalla is a great match for synergy.

Valkyrja without ERS Paper had more low-level detail than Valhalla with ERS Paper. Valkyrja is best with a nude system plugged into the wall, power conditioner wasn't needed.

But with Valhalla bandit, you need daisy chained power conditioners and a fully wrapped ERS Paper system to increase the low-level detail that Valhalla removes. The difference between Valkyrja and Valhalla is that big.

If I would build a system from scratch, I would use Valkyrja speaker wiring everywhere. I would only wrap the DAC with ERS Paper and leave the amp nude. It gets too warm otherwise. The end result is more low-level detail than Valhalla for a fraction of the price.


After 12 hours of burn-in the low-level detail of Valhalla isn't even close to Valkyrja. I get less low-level detail than I got with my 2nd system. It seems like most of the extra low-level detail didn't come from star grounding or isolation of amps, it came from changing Valhalla to Valkyrja.

I wonder if I should mix Valkyrja + Valhalla in the interconnect, but I don't like the extra solder joint.
post #324 of 376
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
Valkyrja is a more neutral cable than Valhalla. I don't know what Nordost was thinking when they discontinued the Valkyrja. I don't know what they were thinking when they designed the Valhalla either, I guess they just found something by accident and started manufacturing it.

I use as much Valkyrja in my system as possible. If there is too much low-level detail in the system, then Valhalla is a good band-aid to remove it. ERS Paper neutrally removes brightness from the sound, and Valhalla artificially adds edginess to the sound. ERS Paper + Valhalla is a great match for synergy.

Valkyrja without ERS Paper had more low-level detail than Valhalla with ERS Paper. Valkyrja is best with a nude system plugged into the wall, power conditioner wasn't needed.

But with Valhalla bandit, you need daisy chained power conditioners and a fully wrapped ERS Paper system to increase the low-level detail that Valhalla removes. The difference between Valkyrja and Valhalla is that big.

If I would build a system from scratch, I would use Valkyrja speaker wiring everywhere. I would only wrap the DAC with ERS Paper and leave the amp nude. It gets too warm otherwise. The end result is more low-level detail than Valhalla for a fraction of the price.


After 12 hours of burn-in the low-level detail of Valhalla isn't even close to Valkyrja. I get less low-level detail than I got with my 2nd system. It seems like most of the extra low-level detail didn't come from star grounding or isolation of amps, it came from changing Valhalla to Valkyrja.

I wonder if I should mix Valkyrja + Valhalla in the interconnect, but I don't like the extra solder joint.
I have valkyrja interconnects. Do you reccon there is a difference between the valkyrja interconnect and the valkyrja speakercable?! I would say they should be equal, don't ya? I really like em in my system, clear, fast, detailed and has a good body. Valhalla suppose to have a bit more body then valkyrja though. if you have a tube amp(wich has in general more body thena transistor amp), valkyrja would be perfect. otherwise, for a transistor amp somebody could prefer the valhalla with slightly more body.

I wouldn't worry too much about a solder joint. it's trivial. Al Nordost cables are soldered to the plugs anyway! And if you think of it, your system consists of hundreds of solder joints! (amp, dac/cdplayer, interconnects etc.).
post #325 of 376
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Valkyrja Valhalla hybrid

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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
I wouldn't worry too much about a solder joint. it's trivial. Al Nordost cables are soldered to the plugs anyway! And if you think of it, your system consists of hundreds of solder joints! (amp, dac/cdplayer, interconnects etc.).


Yes, I didn't think about the connectors. I still have less solder joints than a normal cable.


Day3


Both the Valkyrja and Valhalla were on the opposite sides of unbearable. I just had to turn off music after a few minutes. Valkyrja was too warm and Valhalla too cold, if skeptics can't hear this, there is a problem.


With the Valhalla interconnect I was complaining that it lacked oomph in the bass. The bottom was empty and cold, nothing was there. Previously I had to use MWave4 multiwave setting of P300 Power Plant to tone down the surface and boost up the bass, it also gave the illusion of more low-level detail.

So I was preparing daisy chained power conditioners, but it didn't seem like I would get the low-level detail of Valkyrja anyway. So I made a hybrid Valkyrja + Valhalla interconnect instead. The move from 27cm Valkyrja to 45cm Valhalla made a way too big difference, so it seemed like 27cm Valkyrja + 15cm Valhalla was the best match.


First impressions: Oomph in the bass is back. More low-level detail and warmth. No coldness. Transients are tighter than Valkyrja on its own, but not as tight as Valhalla.

It doesn't sound unbearable anymore. I can listen longer now.








post #326 of 376
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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
I have valkyrja interconnects. Do you reccon there is a difference between the valkyrja interconnect and the valkyrja speakercable?!
Same wiring is used for the Valkyrja speaker cable and interconnect.

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/nordost_valkyrja.htm
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Valkyrja interconnects use the same 28 22-gauge conductors of the speaker cables in the same spatial relationships, but this time the ribbon is shaped into a tube whose center represents an air dielectric.

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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
I would say they should be equal, don't ya? I really like em in my system, clear, fast, detailed and has a good body. Valhalla suppose to have a bit more body then valkyrja though. if you have a tube amp(wich has in general more body thena transistor amp), valkyrja would be perfect. otherwise, for a transistor amp somebody could prefer the valhalla with slightly more body.
I have modified all my cables thinner so there isn't any extra body added to the music, it gave more low-level detail. When comparing a single 22awg conductor Valkyrja against Valhalla, Valkyrja has more body because there is more low-level detail and warmth. With Valhalla the low-level detail is gone and the bass is missing.
post #327 of 376
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
Same wiring is used for the Valkyrja speaker cable and interconnect.

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/nordost_valkyrja.htm





I have modified all my cables thinner so there isn't any extra body added to the music, it gave more low-level detail. When comparing a single 22awg conductor Valkyrja against Valhalla, Valkyrja has more body because there is more low-level detail and warmth. With Valhalla the low-level detail is gone and the bass is missing.
Hmmm, maybe sometime i have the guts to modify the valkyrja interlinks.
Thanks for the info.

If you want more of valkyrja, Patrick, then look at the Nordost TYR cables/interlinks. As far as i know it is the same as valkyrja with wbt plugs!
Most people say valkyrja was renamed to TYR!

Don't you wonder what the 18.000 dollar cable could do? I know i can't afford it but the Nordost cables are allready that good, i wonder how much better that one is! Don't you?!
post #328 of 376
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Day4


Jamming the DAC



First impressions: Smoother with at least as good low-level detail. No weaknesses.








post #329 of 376
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Cary transport with 2m Valhalla


Pre-amp of DAC1 was too loud, so I changed the jumpers inside from -10dB to -30dB. That way I could put back the Cary 303/300 transport and 2m Valhalla power cord into my system. I'm using all my best tweaks for the Cary, that's why it's better than my computer.


First impressions: Smoother with more low-level detail and transparency than computer. The smooth and clean openness flavor from Valhalla power cord is addicting, I can listen for hours!

There is no edginess when it's wrapped with ERS Paper!













post #330 of 376
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Videos

3rd audio system Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7eNNh-BSg
Dissecting Valhalla interconnect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFRptbOtJu8
3rd audio system Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR5ESUubJZU
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