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post #586 of 1888
Im very interested in the 332 for my senns and grados, but at ~450, its alittle out of my range. Anybody know if they can be bought new/used for under 375?
post #587 of 1888

Make Them An Offer...

I think Jasmine's eBay store permits you to "make an offer." Just make them an offer of $390, or so... I think they've sold them anywhere from $390+ to $410+, which includes shipping via EMS. You might explain that 3c-Store (their competitor) has priced it to you for that price, but you'd rather buy it from them.
post #588 of 1888
try this dealer, i've been reaching him, nice person, quick reply
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=342802
i got $410 for 332i including shipping cost
post #589 of 1888
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Originally Posted by Godkin View Post
Yes, the 332 could drive the 16ohm ear-phones, but, to be honest, the 332 works best with higher impedance cans, like Sennheisers and Beyers.
how about grados/alessandro, or beyer manufaktur 32ohm?
is there any significant sound difference 332i made when driving low impd and high impd cans?
post #590 of 1888

Grados with The DV 332...

I found my RS-1's (32 ohms) sounded a bit rough, compared to my Senns (300 ohms) and AD2000's (40 ohms), which sounded much smoother with the DV 332.
post #591 of 1888
did tube rolling had effect to grados roughness?
maybe changing another tube to smooth things up
post #592 of 1888

Hasn't Seemed To...

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Originally Posted by Bozz_Keren View Post
did tube rolling had effect to grados roughness?
maybe changing another tube to smooth things up
Tube rolling hasn't seemed to help much, if any, to smooth up the RS-1's with the DV 332 - certainly not as smooth as the Senns, or AD2000's.

To be honest... I haven't been able to tell a huge difference in most of the tubes I've tried - perhaps subtle changes in the airyness or soundstage, or detail, and maybe just a bit more solid bass.

I think it's just the challenge that some tube amps seem to have in driving low impedence phones - my WA 3 had a similar sound with the RS-1's, but had a bit rougher sound.

But... as I continue to roll tubes... I'll let you know, if any help.

By the way... if you ever wanted to try the Senns, or AD2000's... this would be an amp to try them with. Seems to brighten the Senns up a lot... but so does the XCAN v3 - the DV 332 just has a bit more weighty, liquid sound than the XCAN v3.
post #593 of 1888
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
Tube rolling hasn't seemed to help much, if any, to smooth up the RS-1's with the DV 332 - certainly not as smooth as the Senns, or AD2000's.

To be honest... I haven't been able to tell a huge difference in most of the tubes I've tried - perhaps subtle changes in the airyness or soundstage, or detail, and maybe just a bit more solid bass.

I think it's just the challenge that some tube amps seem to have in driving low impedence phones - my WA 3 had a similar sound with the RS-1's, but had a bit rougher sound.

But... as I continue to roll tubes... I'll let you know, if any help.

By the way... if you ever wanted to try the Senns, or AD2000's... this would be an amp to try them with. Seems to brighten the Senns up a lot... but so does the XCAN v3 - the DV 332 just has a bit more weighty, liquid sound than the XCAN v3.
RS1 is bright if you wear it 'normally'. (I think that's a fact
If you are using bowl, try switch to flat
Your source is too bright (I mean the recording not your gear)
If you can't tell when you roll the tubes that means wither your cans are not able to resolve details (not likely) or your source is lacking (probably).

GL
post #594 of 1888
looks like i'm not a senn fanboy, tried HD650 once, paired with X-can V3, they match well, but i'm not into that kind of buttery smooth, but when V3 paired with RS2, they become somewhat warm, exactly what i'm looking for
i want to try DT880 with this amp though..

ever since i listened to LD2+ with SR60, i've been looking for tube amps, and i done some reading, DV332i might be what i'm searching all this time
post #595 of 1888
Just spent a long (and rainy) afternoon doing a straight shoot-off between the DV 332 and the X-CAN V3, modded heavily by me over the years. I dug out a old, and brilliantly recorded, CD of mine - the jazz influenced "Eden" by Everything but the Girl.

I have to say that, in my opinion, the 332 came off better in every respect. The first noticeable thing was the power: I was amazed, not to say a little shocked, by how much I had to crank up the volume control on the X-CAN to get a listenable sound. I know some of this can be explained by the differing design of pot used - the linear in the 332 and the ALPS in the X-CAN - but the DV had just so much more power. (The X-CAN has also a heavily modded output stage which is more geared towards lower impedance cans.)

Secondly, clarity. Compared to the 332, the X-CAN sounded warm and, dare I say it, veiled. It has a lovely and beguiling sound, with an attractive lushness and liquidity, and an ambience the 332 cannot match. But switching directly to the 332 demonstrated just how coloured it was. The 332, in comparison, is crystal clear, and goes to prove what I have always said about the DV, that it is a very revealing amp, especially with poor sources.

The same can be said about, for want of a better word, openess. The warm and veiled character of the X-CAN meant that it was a slightly deceptive amp to listen to, but it had a detailed midrange, with plenty of detail. Again, however, the 332 was, subjectively speaking, the better amp. The soundstage is simply bigger, with each thread of the music portrayed and separated in a superior way.

Finally, bass. Both amps equiped themselves well, with no shortage of bass power. But the 332 simply goes lower and is more articulate.
post #596 of 1888

Which Tubes...

Gary... which tubes were you using, and what source?

I assume the Svets and Mullards, or maybe the Tung Sols?

I also think the DV 332 seems to present a more powerful sound, and perhaps a bit more "tube" euphonics.

But, sometimes I think the XCAN v3 presents a bit more clarity and detail - it's close.

Although... I much prefer the XCAN v3 with my RS-1's - they're much smoother with it.

My observations are primarily with the Svets and Mullards, and the sources in my signature (which are exceptional). With the stock Chinese tubes - they seem to sound a bit more similar... I think.
post #597 of 1888
At the moment, I am using the SVETs and the RCA JRC 6AK5Ws. I am also running a YAQIN tube buffer, with a pair of WE 403Bs. My main source is a MUSICAL FIDELITY A3.5, running as a transport, and an X-DAC V3, which has been heavily modded.

I would say that the X-CAN is superior with the GRADOs. Its output stage, especially with the Pinky mods, is geared for lower impedance cans. The output stage has a massive 2000uF of capitance, bypassed with Russian PIO caps, while the 332 has a diminutive 60uF. With the HD650s, or other higher impedance cans, the 332 wins hands-down.

I love the sound of the X-CAN, but for my ears the 332 is a winner.
post #598 of 1888

Agree with Hi Z Phones...

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Originally Posted by Godkin View Post
At the moment, I am using the SVETs and the RCA JRC 6AK5Ws. I am also running a YAQIN tube buffer, with a pair of WE 403Bs. My main source is a MUSICAL FIDELITY A3.5, running as a transport, and an X-DAC V3, which has been heavily modded.

I would say that the X-CAN is superior with the GRADOs. Its output stage, especially with the Pinky mods, is geared for lower impedance cans. The output stage has a massive 2000uF of capitance, bypassed with Russian PIO caps, while the 332 has a diminutive 60uF. With the HD650s, or other higher impedance cans, the 332 wins hands-down.

I love the sound of the X-CAN, but for my ears the 332 is a winner.
I agree with high impedence phones - my Senns never sounded better! Although... I sometimes think the HD650's may sound a bit more clear with my XCAN v3 with PF mods.

A lot of questions...

How is the Yaqin Tube Buffer? It seems like a bargain... if it makes an improvement. Where did you buy yours?

Does the DV 332 really need it?

How well does it mate with the XCAN v3... and how does it compare to the X10 v3 Tube Buffer?

I'm sure the XDAC v3 adds detail and clarity to the DV 332 - I sold mine before I got the DV 332. The sources I have are really great (both tube DACs)... but, they both seem to provide a bit more clarity / detail with a brighter amp - like the XDAC v3, or the GL / GS-1.

Does you XCAN v3 have the PinkFloyd mods, or others?

Do you find the by-pass caps make much of a difference? Pinkfloyd suggested, earlier, that he didn't think by-pass caps really make much difference.

Oh yes... do the mods to the XDAC v3 make a significant improvement? Are these the mods Pinkfloyd has published on his site - really those of an "Aussie?"
post #599 of 1888
Is it normal to hear slight buzzing in the phones, after about 50 hours of listening? The buzzing is very apperant at higher volumes, in quiet part of songs.
post #600 of 1888

I Notice None...

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Originally Posted by masonn1 View Post
Is it normal to hear slight buzzing in the phones, after about 50 hours of listening? The buzzing is very apperant at higher volumes, in quiet part of songs.
I don't really notice any significant buzzing in any of my phones at any reasonable volume, much less at normal listening volumes.

Someone with a technical background will be better able to help you here... but... I'd try swapping tubes around, and with other tubes to see if that helps (if you haven't already done so). I'd also try cleaning the tube pins with and all cable contacts with Pro Gold products. You may also find an improved power cable might be helpful (e.g. Signal Cable Black Magic, etc.). Finally, I'd try using another outlet, or a power center, and cleaning and checking cable connections throughout your setup.

Oh yes... you may want to try swapping sources, if you have any others, to see if the noise is in your source.
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