Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphone Amps (full-size) › Darkvoice just released 332
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Darkvoice just released 332 - Page 69

post #1021 of 1888
Quote:
Originally Posted by Svirre View Post
I recently ordered a 332, and in my enthusiasm I ordered a bunch of tubes as well. I now realise I probably should of double checked that they will actually work with the 332 first, but oh well...

Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if someone could confirm that these tubes will actually work:

- LM Ericsson 403B - pair NOS , NIB
- 6AK5W - 5654 - 6ZH1P-EV Tubes. Set of 4
- 6S19P-V Audiophile Tubes

They didn't exactly cost me much, but it would be nice to know that I at least can use them, hehe.
Should be fine.
post #1022 of 1888
Ok, that's good news.

It seems the western electric 403B tubes has gotten much praise in this thread. Anyone know how they compare to the Ericsson 403B?

Many also mention the 6S19P-B tubes. What's the difference to the 6S19P-V tubes?
post #1023 of 1888
Yes, they will definitely work! I greatly preferred the 403Bs over the 6AK5Ws, I would suggest you try those first.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Svirre View Post
I recently ordered a 332, and in my enthusiasm I ordered a bunch of tubes as well. I now realise I probably should of double checked that they will actually work with the 332 first, but oh well...

Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if someone could confirm that these tubes will actually work:

- LM Ericsson 403B - pair NOS , NIB
- 6AK5W - 5654 - 6ZH1P-EV Tubes. Set of 4
- 6S19P-V Audiophile Tubes

They didn't exactly cost me much, but it would be nice to know that I at least can use them, hehe.
post #1024 of 1888
What differences are there with the GE and LM tubes over the 8100 Mullards?

The difference I noticed between the Mullard EF95's and the M8100's is that the M8100's are more crisp, sound less glassy (particularly noticeable with cymbal hits.) but the low end doesn't seem as strong as with the regular EF95s.

I have some generic Russian tubes, 6j1 equivs and they sound super glassy, low end seems nice though. They hum like crazy through my darkvoice with even the spring tube holders in place.

It would be nice to find some driver tubes that offer warm detailed and crisp/non-glassy highs and a good amount of bass as well.


I'd like warmth separation and detail. That's what I would like to accomplish with opamp replacements and tubes though I haven't been able to find a combination I particularly like yet. I'm a bit picky I suppose.
post #1025 of 1888
The "P-B" and "P-V" suffixes are exactly the the same: the first is the Russian cryllic, the second the English translation.
post #1026 of 1888
Hi!

I'm wondering how the 332 compares to the 336i are there any improvments over the 336i?
post #1027 of 1888

Search This Thread...

Quote:
Originally Posted by davve View Post
Hi!

I'm wondering how the 332 compares to the 336i are there any improvments over the 336i?
Your answer is buried in this thread - do a seach on 336i in this thread.

As I recall... those that have heard both reported that the DV332 is better than the DV336i with the HD650s - though, as I recall, the DV336i has a more "tubey," less "precise" sound. The DV332 reportedly sounds a lot like the DV337 - though, I must admit, I'm not sure I understand why it would - since the tubes are different.

So... I suppose it really depends on the sound you prefer - the more precise, powerful sound of the DV332, or the warmer, more "tubey" sound of the DV336i.
post #1028 of 1888
Anyone tried 403b tubes from the companies 'national' and 'international'?
post #1029 of 1888

Mullards vs LM's

The difference I find between the LM's and the Mullard 8100's is the Mullards have a little more base and the LM's make the vocals stand out more. I find the voices with the LM's to be unbelievable. The 8100's are nice but for my taste unless I really want the base to stand out I prefer the LM's. I hope that helps fetalgoat.
post #1030 of 1888

What tube combo for more warm, lush, better soundstage, improve bass & retains detail

I got myself 332 about 1 month back but my recent addition of benchmark dac1 makes it sounds slight too hash/bright for listening with DT770 (W1k, still not too bad). Before I decide to get Yaqin tube buffer or EE BBA or change to Monarchy M24 dac. I wonder is there a possibility to smoothen out the hash by tube rolling.

From what I gathered by reading this entire thread, it seems that Svetlana 6s19P-B/V with Mullard M8100 combo should able to achieve my objective of getting a warm, lush, better sound stage, improve bass while still retaining the detail from dac1.

Kindly advise if I have drawn the correct conclusion or recommend a better combo for my required parameters.

TIA
post #1031 of 1888
You might try those to see if that will do it... but... the DV332 is a fairly bright, clear, detailed amp - which is why its so great with Senns. The DAC1 is also - so you may have a bit of difficulty taming the combination enough to suit your preferences.

And... I doubt a tube buffer will do it either. The Yaqin 2 tube (6J1) version, less likely than the Yaqin 1 tube (6DJ8/6922) version, which has a better selection of tubes (offered by Pacific Valve). The EE MM BBA is a pretty expensive tube buffer / impedence matcher just to warm the sound a bit. You'd have over $1200 invested in your amp/buffer combo - which will buy a fairly nice amp. If you're going to keep your DAC1, you may want to just upgrade your amp to one that might provide a warmer sound - perhaps a SP. Or... you might try one that allows you to switch back and forth between OTL and TC modes (e.g. ASL, or Cayin, etc.). This might be the way to go... if you're wanting to retain all the detail of the DAC1. The M24 provides lots of detail, but its likely a bit less than the DAC1 - though its more musical.

You might also try the Senns (modded HD580/600), or another DAC. The M24 provides a warmer, more liquid, organic sound - which is also a bit bright. But, you can tame it, if need be, with warmer tubes than the JAN Philips 6922s.

The NM24 (2007/8 version with black faceplate) has both tube and SS DACs, uses the 96/24 PCM1704 chip, and is a bit brighter than the M24 (2006/7 version with silver faceplate). Some prefer the older M24 with the PCM63 chip to the NM24.



Quote:
Originally Posted by niccon View Post
I got myself 332 about 1 month back but my recent addition of benchmark dac1 makes it sounds slight too hash/bright for listening with DT770 (W1k, still not too bad). Before I decide to get Yaqin tube buffer or EE BBA or change to Monarchy M24 dac. I wonder is there a possibility to smoothen out the hash by tube rolling.

From what I gathered by reading this entire thread, it seems that Svetlana 6s19P-B/V with Mullard M8100 combo should able to achieve my objective of getting a warm, lush, better sound stage, improve bass while still retaining the detail from dac1.

Kindly advise if I have drawn the correct conclusion or recommend a better combo for my required parameters.

TIA
post #1032 of 1888
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
You might try those to see if that will do it... but... the DV332 is a fairly bright, clear, detailed amp - which is why its so great with Senns. The DAC1 is also - so you may have a bit of difficulty taming the combination enough to suit your preferences.

And... I doubt a tube buffer will do it either. The Yaqin 2 tube (6J1) version, less likely than the Yaqin 1 tube (6DJ8/6922), which has a better selection of tubes (offered by Pacific Valve). The EE MM BBA is a pretty expensive tube buffer / impedence matcher just to warm the sound a bit. You'd have over $1200 invested in your amp/buffer combo - which will buy a fairly nice amp.

You might also try the Senns (modded HD580/600), or another DAC. The M24 provides a warmer, more liquid, organic sound - which is also a bit bright. But, you can tame it, if need be, with other tubes.

The NM24 (2007/8 version with black faceplate) has both tube and SS DACs, upsamples to 192 (I think), and is a bit brighter than the M24 (2006/7 version with silver faceplate). Some prefer the older M24 with the PCM63 chip to the NM24.
Thanks. I dont use open headphone and dont like Senns. If that is the case, I may need to scout for a different amp or dac
post #1033 of 1888
How long have you had the DT770? IMO they have a slightly harsh high end for a while. You may try burning them in before you try anything else. Also, if you get the DT770s "Darthed" (see Headphile, headphone tweaks and modding, woodies, interconnects, Grado, Sennheiser, AKG, Beyer, woody and more...) that will also smooth things out. I have never listened to the DAC1 so I cannot really comment on that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by niccon View Post
I got myself 332 about 1 month back but my recent addition of benchmark dac1 makes it sounds slight too hash/bright for listening with DT770 (W1k, still not too bad). Before I decide to get Yaqin tube buffer or EE BBA or change to Monarchy M24 dac. I wonder is there a possibility to smoothen out the hash by tube rolling.

From what I gathered by reading this entire thread, it seems that Svetlana 6s19P-B/V with Mullard M8100 combo should able to achieve my objective of getting a warm, lush, better sound stage, improve bass while still retaining the detail from dac1.

Kindly advise if I have drawn the correct conclusion or recommend a better combo for my required parameters.

TIA
post #1034 of 1888
I have the YAQIN 6J1 tube buffer and while it does soften the sound, I don't think it would cure your problem totally. Even with the HD650s with a bad source or recording, the 332 can sound a tad bright. Improving the tubes can help diminish this considerably, especially with something like the MULLARD EF95s and SVETLANA 6S19Ps. With the right set up the 332 is great.

As Gradofan says, the CAYIN may be a better amp with your set up. Or maybe the DOGE would be another suggestion - it's single-ended and has an impedance selector switch.
post #1035 of 1888

Maybe... This Will Do It...

I ran a test to see what would warm the sound of my SS CD25 CDP with my Senns.

Here's the results:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/gre...-senns-295105/

Now my modified CD25 is likely warmer than your DAC1, but not a lot.

What I found was that for driving the Senns single ended... the best sound may well be using a SS source (like your DAC1) to a tube buffer, to a tube line stage pre-amp, to a tube amp, to your Senns. Or... you might get good tube amp, which might warm it up enough... especially with a tube buffer.

I was very surprised that the resulting sound... may actually be just as good, if not a bit better than the M24 Tube DAC. There may be a bit more clarity and detail, yet warmed by the various tubed equipment pieces.

Regardless... you will still have quite an investment in equipment, if you add a tube buffer, a tube line stage pre-amp, and a tube amp to your DAC1 - but it does work.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphone Amps (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphone Amps (full-size) › Darkvoice just released 332