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Musiland MD-10

post #1 of 269
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While checking out some chinese dacs I came across the Musiland MD-10.
Googling it had me ending up on DiyEden. If I'm not mistaken, isn't this the site that was previously selling other dacs (Zhaolu, Great March, those things)?

http://www.diyeden.com/eng/Article/S...p?ArticleID=54

Anyways, it looks like a promising thing. Soort of a small Storm DA2.
LCD up front, volume controls, toslink, rca, bnc, and usb inputs.
There is no price on DiyEden that I can find. Anyone have more information on this cool toy?


post #2 of 269
quick search on google says that Diyeden renamed themselves to Musiland (or something like that).

Diyeden itself seems like a decently sized audio company - they also make soundcards (USB and PCI).

The MD10 was very recently released, there are about 20 units available in all of China right now, and it should be $300~$360 USD. (They're targeting the non-Mainland China market.)

It uses the CS4398 D/A chip.
post #3 of 269
iFi Audio is going to sell this DAC for $270 shipped in the US. I love that display.
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Did someone ever listen to this one ? I wanted to buy the Great March, but the MD10 seems promising. I like the design, but I don't know anything about chips and other technical stuff, and I can't find any review...
post #5 of 269
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Originally Posted by Yotsuba View Post
Did someone ever listen to this one ? I wanted to buy the Great March, but the MD10 seems promising. I like the design, but I don't know anything about chips and other technical stuff, and I can't find any review...
This is what I would like to know as well. The Great March seems like a good unit for the price and I'm wondering if you are really getting a lot more with the MD10 other than the screen.
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Sean H tried it/has it and he seems to enjoy its sound. It's supposedly similar to what you can get through the Zhaolu. You can find the post here: Musiland MD10
post #7 of 269
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Originally Posted by El Condor View Post
Sean H tried it/has it and he seems to enjoy its sound. It's supposedly similar to what you can get through the Zhaolu. You can find the post here: Musiland MD10
That's interesting, seeing as I was never a great fan of the Zhaolu.
I was planning on purchasing a Yulong Crystal dac, but the added USB support on the MD10 is a nice feature and it might win me over. I'm still not sure, atleast the seller of the Yulong is also selling this thing at I believe 1980RMB (roughly $250). The $270 iFiAudio quotes is a very nice price indeed compared to that, shipping it yourself to the US would be more expensive.

Fan Chengzhe, also the seller of the Yulong Crystal, said he liked the sound of the MD10, but couldn't describe it better (his english is bad).
post #8 of 269
Hey, guys. I have to admit straight out I like it better than the Great March. The Great March is nice don't get me wrong but the MD10 sounds better to me, perhaps it's my taste or system synergy. Like I said before it's just a really cool little unit in such a compact size. It does compete with my Zhaolu 2.5, no doubt about it. It has excellent resolution with a big open/layered/wide sound. It's tonality is very neutral to my ears, it's full and musical but also quite open up top with detailed highs. When I listen to it I don't ever find it to be too warm or laid back but yet never bright or edgy but it is quite open and revealing. The midrange is very nice, bass is solid and tight, and the treble is controlled. I'm always left with the impression of the MD10 sounding punchy and solid.

It has a likeness to the Zhaolu 2.0 and 2.5 more so than the 1.3 to my ears as the 1.3 to me was, while very open and airy sounding, a bit more lean down low and could be a hair bright but it depended on opamps used. That's the whole thing with the Zhaolu's, it's like - which Zhaolu are you talking about? I hear clear differences between the 1.3, 2.0 and 2.5. I hear clear differences between the CS and AD DAC chips and then there's the matter of opamps which is yet another means to make the Zhaolu's sound different. I think they have really taken advatnage of the CS4398 DAC chip in the 2.5. I had been using all OPA2107's in my 2.5C and had been really liking it but had recently thought it maybe sounded a bit too warm and ill defined in the bass at times. I rolled in a DY2000 and wow, the thing just sparkled and opened up, better attack and defintion but because there is still an OPA2107 in the analog output (there are only two opamps in the 2.5's analog stage now), and an OPA2107 in the power supply, It still had that full and warm influence they impart. It maybe sounds a bit more like the 2.5A AD1852 as it has a really nice definition of the treble range with a clear and crisp quality. The Musiland to me sounds fairly similar to my 2.5's current configuration, or maybe somewhere between a 2.5A and 2.5C in it's overall impression and tonality. I'm getting too carried away here. I have not done any critical comparisons but to me the 2.5C, with the noted configuration, perhaps sounds a tad more refined with a bit more fullness down low (fuller midbass) and maybe has more depth. Nonethless the MD10 is great sounding indeed and is extremely competitive.

Like I said before, the headphone mini output drives Grado's very nicely. I believe the manual says the headphone out, while Class A in design, is designed for low to mid impedance cans so Senn HD580-6XX's likely aren't going to work here. Quite a bonus though for low impedance cans as it's an extremely competant headphone amp. The interface and display really is quite cool. I kind of touched on the menu options in the other post. The digital volume is what has me most perplexed though as I don't hear degredation on the headphone output. As I had said before the RCA analog output is volume controlled as well but again I couldn't hear any degradation but it's a moot point if you just set the volume to zero attenuation and then use your amp's volume. Obviously a nicely done digital volume. Interestingly enough the unit can be used a preamp as a result which is a nice bonus as well.
post #9 of 269
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Sean, thanks for pointing out two things that make me VERY interested.

My experience with the Zhaolu is only with a 1.3, with DY2000 opamps. I've owned one for awhile and never liked it, I found it too bright and too lean in bass. If the MD-10 has a fuller sound it'll be much more to my liking.

The volume controlled RCA outputs also interest me alot. I'll be building a speaker rig sometime soon aswell and if I could use the MD-10 as a preamp that'd be a great bonus. How large are the differences between sound levels? Is it noticably steps wise or not?

I won't be using the internal headphone amp -- I have a Mapletree to do the headphone amping for me.

The combination of preamp, usb inputs, and good dac make this a winner for me. I think I'll be buying one of the preamp is good, and volume steps aren't too large. It'll be a nice holdover before I can go with a standalone preamp.

What do you find yourself using most? The 2.5c or the MD-10?


EDIT: I just found that the step size in volume is 1dB. Should be good enough.
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I have same experience like Digitalmind, Zhalou is too bright and lean in bass, i have had Zhalou 1.1.
post #11 of 269
Sean, thanks for your opinion. Have you compared it with the base version of the Great March or a modded version ? And also, have you tested the USB input ?

The MD-10 seems interesting indeed. I also like the 2 outputs, since I have a small speaker rig. As I need this + USB, the Musiland and the Great March are the 2 only choices I found with my budget. So I think I'll go with the Musiland.

By the way, anyone knows if ifiaudio ships outside the US ?
post #12 of 269
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Originally Posted by Yotsuba View Post
Sean, thanks for your opinion. Have you compared it with the base version of the Great March or a modded version ? And also, have you tested the USB input ?

The MD-10 seems interesting indeed. I also like the 2 outputs, since I have a small speaker rig. As I need this + USB, the Musiland and the Great March are the 2 only choices I found with my budget. So I think I'll go with the Musiland.

By the way, anyone knows if ifiaudio ships outside the US ?
We can buy these straight from Fan Chengzhe, China. PM me for his msn or email adress. They cost 1980RMB (191 EUR) + shipping. That should be cheaper than getting one from iFiAudio, and, it'll be 220/230V.
post #13 of 269
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Originally Posted by digitalmind View Post
My experience with the Zhaolu is only with a 1.3, with DY2000 opamps. I've owned one for awhile and never liked it, I found it too bright and too lean in bass. If the MD-10 has a fuller sound it'll be much more to my liking.

The volume controlled RCA outputs also interest me alot. I'll be building a speaker rig sometime soon aswell and if I could use the MD-10 as a preamp that'd be a great bonus. How large are the differences between sound levels? Is it noticably steps wise or not?

I won't be using the internal headphone amp -- I have a Mapletree to do the headphone amping for me.

The combination of preamp, usb inputs, and good dac make this a winner for me. I think I'll be buying one of the preamp is good, and volume steps aren't too large. It'll be a nice holdover before I can go with a standalone preamp.

What do you find yourself using most? The 2.5c or the MD-10?


EDIT: I just found that the step size in volume is 1dB. Should be good enough.
Ouch, yeah all DY2000's in a 1.3 would be too much indeed. Likely wide opn and huge stage but brighter and while tight bass a bit lean. The OPA2107 and DY2000 is a real winner. BTW, regarding the MD10's analog output, I can't get an answer on that and don't think iFi has heard back from Fan on that. I feel ike a total moron but I don't know what exactly the single opamp in the analog stage does. If it is in the signal path and functions like opamps do in a Zhaolu then it is an opamp based analog stage. There is only one and it's a surface mount AD275. AD opamps have a particular sound to me where they seem to favor detailed treble, quickness and a nice open quality. The DY2000 is an AD opamp. But the MD10's character, as described before, is classic AD in many regards, it does have a very neutral stance but does have detailed and open treble. But the bass is very nice and not lean. There's nothing "tubey" about this DAC at all, it's neutral and detailed but doesn't sound lean or too bright to me. Remember too, this DAC uses a CS4398 DAC chip (company flagship DAC chip), which to my ears is natural and a bit full in the bass with excellent depth, so it isn't a mixture of an AD1852 chip as in the 1.3 and all DY2000's! Yikes! I like the AD1852 chip but it's very AD sounding. Like I said the MD10 has nice layering and space but isn't laid back like a Zhaolu filled with Burr Brown OPA oamps. Probably favors width to depth but has very nice layering to my ears. Trying to describe it the best I can. People's impressions vary so much I'd hate to have someone get one of these and then find my impressions were way different than mine!

I find I listen to my 2.5C and the MD10 about equally. Both work well with my Mapletree Purist HD. If you get one you have got to atleast try the headphone output with your RS-1's if you have a 1/4 to mini adapter. AS for volume steps, as you noted the 1dB steps, it's very subtle going from one step to the next so it's great volume control. Just amazed at the quality - seemingly lacks degeradation and no noise.
post #14 of 269
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Originally Posted by Yotsuba View Post
Sean, thanks for your opinion. Have you compared it with the base version of the Great March or a modded version ? And also, have you tested the USB input ?

The MD-10 seems interesting indeed. I also like the 2 outputs, since I have a small speaker rig. As I need this + USB, the Musiland and the Great March are the 2 only choices I found with my budget. So I think I'll go with the Musiland.

By the way, anyone knows if ifiaudio ships outside the US ?
I had a base version of the Great March up until about two weeks ago when I sold it. I didn't necessarily and directly sell it in favor of the MD10 I had five DAC's and it was gettng rediculous! The stock Great March is a nice DAC but to me it's not stellar. It's nice, don't get me wrong, the USB is very cool, and it's prime for modding, but in stock form it's not superb. Now, I did throw close to a hundred dollars of opamps in it and it blossomed bigtime! It has four single channel opamps in the power supply and three dual opamps in the DAC analog stage, as you likely know. I put four spendy OPA627's in the power supply, as well as three OPA2107's in the analog stage and it sounded quite nice indeed! Very full, warm, dimensional and musical. But that's a lot of money in opamps. Still the GM lacked some "refinement" to my ears and I still preferred the Zhaolu's. The MD10 is a bit more along the lines of the Zhaolu's to me and better than the Great March to my ears.

BTW, Musiland is a spin off of DIYEDEN, but not sure if it's a DIYEDEN brand or if it's a whole new company.

I use the USB input with the MD10 all the time. Works great, no glitches, no drivers needed.

Not sure if iFi Audio ships worldwide or not. They are still waiting for stock of the MD10 I believe and they will be 110V nonetheless.
post #15 of 269
Thanks for the precisions. I think I'm finaly decided. I'm searching for a good source since months and I'm getting bored reading reviews. The MD10 seems to be the best choice for my needs and my wallet. Anyway, I'm sure I won't be disappointed, I can't be worse than a X-Fi soundcard (even a small USB device that costed me 10$ is better).

I think I'll see directly with Fan Chengzhe. I already have his address, but I was retiscent because last time I asked shipping cost for a DAC from China, it was more than 60$... But I don't really have a choice if I want the 220V version.

Next step will be the headphones, and I'll finally have a decent setup.
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