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post #76 of 1341
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Originally Posted by tuatara View Post
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Thanks for the detailed info, very helpful!
And that 50s GE TPBP is excellent indeed.

Now, if I just knew how the HA-02 sounded with the PS-1...

Looking forward to your friend's impressions as well.
post #77 of 1341
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"Now, if I just knew how the HA-02 sounded with the PS-1"

My question exactly. Hopefully some one will be able to enlighten us?


Mitch
post #78 of 1341
Getting a pair of GS1000 to try with the Yammy torrow. I wasn't terribly impressed with the Grados when I borrowed them last so I'll be interested if anything changes.

And just to prove that no one item is all things to all men I had my adult son try the W1000/Yamamoto combo today. His favoured music is Rap and perhaps surprisingly the ATs have been his favourite phone.
He wasn't impressed with the Japanese combo claiming that everything was smoothed out too much,especially the vocals which appeared to be moved back in the mix making for a bland listen.

This is in line with my own thoughts that the Yamamoto is not the best amp for those that like more aggressive types of music and maybe an inevitable result of the amp design.

Any other owners willing to confirm or dispute that, I'd be interested to hear.
post #79 of 1341
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Originally Posted by tuatara View Post
He wasn't impressed with the Japanese combo claiming that everything was smoothed out too much,especially the vocals which appeared to be moved back in the mix making for a bland listen.
Hi Tuatara,

I was also interested in the W5000 to mate with my HA-02. I hear that they are very refined phones and also very efficient and let’s face it, the HA-02 is is a little muscle deficient.

What’s your experience with these phones? To you, are they as musical as the Grado RS1’s? To me, grado’s are good foot taping phone, how do the W5000 compare in that area? Did your son have a chance to try the Yammy => Grado RS1 combo?

I do agree with your son, this is not the best foot taping amplifier out there. My Yamamoto => AKG 701 combo is disastrous. No musicality whatsoever. Listening to music through this combo is like putting a few hundred lbs of lead over my feet. There’s absolutely no possibility of foot taping movement. If you find life is to fast and you need to experience boredom, try listening to music through this combo. You’ll be dying to do something else. No dirty dishes in my house these day’s.

Enough humoring. I also have a pair of Grado SR80 and listening though these is much more fun. While the driver’s are not up to par with my AKG phones, the listening experience I get from the sr80=>HA02 combo is more pleasurable. I’m actually hearing music and not only nicely executed sounds. Music with lots of nuance such as Chopin’s Nocturne’s come out really nice. I can feel the musical colors the great pianist Claudio Arrau is able to conjure. This, IMHO, is the amp’s strength. Hopefully, I will be able to find a better quality headphone that will remain musical when played with the Yamamoto.

Regards to all,

Robert
post #80 of 1341
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Originally Posted by Charob View Post
Hi Tuatara,

I was also interested in the W5000 to mate with my HA-02. I hear that they are very refined phones and also very efficient and let’s face it, the HA-02 is is a little muscle deficient.

What’s your experience with these phones? To you, are they as musical as the Grado RS1’s? To me, grado’s are good foot taping phone, how do the W5000 compare in that area? Did your son have a chance to try the Yammy => Grado RS1 combo?

I do agree with your son, this is not the best foot taping amplifier out there. My Yamamoto => AKG 701 combo is disastrous. No musicality whatsoever. Listening to music through this combo is like putting a few hundred lbs of lead over my feet. There’s absolutely no possibility of foot taping movement. If you find life is to fast and you need to experience boredom, try listening to music through this combo. You’ll be dying to do something else. No dirty dishes in my house these day’s.

Enough humoring. I also have a pair of Grado SR80 and listening though these is much more fun. While the driver’s are not up to par with my AKG phones, the listening experience I get from the sr80=>HA02 combo is more pleasurable. I’m actually hearing music and not only nicely executed sounds. Music with lots of nuance such as Chopin’s Nocturne’s come out really nice. I can feel the musical colors the great pianist Claudio Arrau is able to conjure. This, IMHO, is the amp’s strength. Hopefully, I will be able to find a better quality headphone that will remain musical when played with the Yamamoto.

Regards to all,

Robert
I dont have any W5000s available to try although I think there are other Yamamoto owners who have. I'm using the W1000s and with the HA-02 its a really nice,musical combo. The W1000s certainly sound like a different headphone with the Yammy but its not a partnership for hardcore headbangers, really shinning with small combo/acoustic material and somewhat surprisingly also sounded very good with some vintage prog.rock in the form of Yes. The bigger soundstage certainly helps.

I have only briefly listened to the 701s and the Yamamoto and haven't formed a judgement yet but feel that you may be correct in your assesment. While it drives the AKG ok it is maybe a little too laidback.

The combo with the RS1s is pretty good and while I like the ATs better for some music the Grados will get the nod. Definitely two totally different sounds.

"I do agree with your son, this is not the best foot taping amplifier out there"
Maybe not for punch and slam but I find I cant readily use it for background listening while reading as I keep getting drawn into the music now,much more than before.


My son didn't try the HA-02 with the RS1s as he's always considered them an inferior phone..on the up side not much chance that he'll run off with them

Interesting to get other owners feedback.
post #81 of 1341
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Originally Posted by tuatara View Post
I dont have any W5000s available to try although I think there are other Yamamoto owners who have. I'm using the W1000s and with the HA-02
Thanks Tuatara,

I've got to start paying more attention to detail. It's GaryH that has the W5000. But that takes me to another question. Gary, or anyone that has any experience with these 2 phones, is there much difference in sound between the W1000 and W5000? Both headphones seem to have almost the same specs. Could the price difference be only cosmetics (Leather pads, nicer wood...) ?

ATH-W5000:
Specifications
Type: Airtightness Dynamic
Driver Unit: Phi 53mm, neodymium magnet, OFC8N bobbin winding voice coil
Housing: Ebony wood material
Frequency response: 5 - 45,000Hz
Impedance: 40 Ohms
Max. Input Power: 2,000mW
Sensitivity: 102dB (JEITA)
Plug: phi 6.3 standard gold plated stereos
Cord: Elastomer sheath /OFC6N + Hi-OFC/3.0m


ATH-1000:
Specifications
Type: Closed Dynamic
Driver Unit: 53mm, Super high class 8n-OFC Bobbin winding voice coil
Magnet: Neodymium
Frequency response: 5-40,000 Hz
Impedence: 40Ω
Max. Input Power: 2,000mW
Sensitivity: 100dB
Plug: Gold-plating phi 6.3 stereo standards
Cord length: 3.0m (Wrapping / 6N-OFC + Hi-OFC hybrid)
post #82 of 1341
Hi Charob,

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I've got to start paying more attention to detail. It's GaryH that has the W5000. But that takes me to another question. Gary, or anyone that has any experience with these 2 phones, is there much difference in sound between the W1000 and W5000? Both headphones seem to have almost the same specs. Could the price difference be only cosmetics (Leather pads, nicer wood...) ?
Very good question- my .02 cents . . .

Yes, it's true that the specs are nearly the same and it's right to ask "why pay more??" Ebony is far more expensive vis a vis cherry due to its relative scarcity being available mainly from Africa. Not sure about the leather used on the different models, though, it appears that the leather on the W5000 appears much more supple - whether it is better or more expensive, I honestly don't know. Surely the R&D and other engineering costs would factor in as well. How much each of these factors individually or in total translate into the price difference; again, I don't know.

To me and many others who've had the opportunity to hear both the W1000 & the W5000, a common observation is that they both share the basic underlying ATH sonic signature with respect to clarity, detail, decay. To my ears, the differences in these areas are more a matter of degree in the sense that the W5000 exhibits a bit more clarity and detail, with the decays lasting a bit longer. The more pronounced differences lay in the areas of bass extension and depth and soundstaging. In addition, voices that are prominent, forward by comparison, through the W1000 are less so through the W5000. This being the case, for my taste, the W5000 seems more neutral and tonally balanced.

While both models are visually similar from a distance, up close, there are obvious differences in (wooden) cup depth, the damping / skeletal structure, and the leather and wood as you mention. It is my understanding that, aside from the cost factor, there are distinct sonic differences between cherry and ebony, with ebony being much harder and more dense. Accordingly, it would stand to reason that it would be less resonant and, perhaps, the biggest contributor to differences in bass between the two models. Looking beyond the stated specs, by elimination it would seem this and the other subtle design differences account for the overall sonic differences.

From a value for money standpoint, whether all this translates into one model being worth more by a factor of 2x or more, that's really in the eye, er . . . uhm, ear of the beholder. For me, absolutely no regrets about spending the extra $$ on the W5000's as I believe them to be the most balanced headphones I own by a far margin.

To be clear, my W5000's were purchased primarily for use in my work office with my new Corda Opera amp and so far so good . . . but that's for another post. My plan has always been to pair the Yammy with W1000. I love the two together and, given that my use of this combo usually is with less bass prominent music, I really don't feel like I'm missing anything.

W1000 or 5000, either way, I don't think you could go wrong.

Cheers,
Garry
post #83 of 1341
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Originally Posted by GarryH View Post
Very good question- my .02 cents . . .
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That was more than .02 cents worth, very generous of you, Thanks.

Actually, you're all very generous and I would like to thank you all for your much appreciated feedback.

Regards,
Robert
post #84 of 1341
So, who's going to be first to try tube rolling in the Yammy?
There are several different brand tubes besides the WE available.
I'm hoping to get a couple of different pairs shortly to try out of curiousity.

For anyone thinking long term I see there's a listing of 3000 mixed 408As on E-Bay just now, should be enough to keep any owner going for a few years.

I have tried a pair of Grado GS1000s with the Yamamoto and while it drives them just fine the pairing hasn't changed my opinion that the GS1000 is a Grado made for Sennheiser fans and not for me.The drums and especially the cymbals are as good as I've ever heard but too much is buried back in the mix to make these a phone of choice.

A couple of weeks of listening have confirmed initial impressions that both the RS1s and the W1000s are good choices for a pair up but if I had to make a choice I feel it would be with the ATs which means maybe W5000s will be on the shopping list . I'd also be interested in how the AD2000s would work with the Yamamoto.
post #85 of 1341
Tuatara,

If you think that you are impressed with the Yammy now, just wait till you throw W5000's at 'em . Their beauty lay in the fact that, not only do they shine with the Yammy and make the Yammy shine likewise, they seem to work well with any quality amp, SS or tube. That said, with the amps that I own, my feeling is that they work best with the Yamamoto.

Don't know about the AD2000's, however, should you decide to go with the W5000's, I predict that you may very well slay the dreaded upgraditus !!

Keep us posted.

Cheers,
Garry
post #86 of 1341
Has anyone tried the Yamamoto with Qualia 010's?
post #87 of 1341
Woah, so.. the A-08 isn't for headphones.. but.. are there any other Headphone amps made by Yamamoto other than this?

Thanks
post #88 of 1341
Nenso,

The HA-02 is the only HP amp currently offered by Yamamoto. There was an "-01" model a few years back - you can check it out here ... http://www.headwize.com/showfile.php...rchive2002.htm

Regards,
Garry
post #89 of 1341
I lent my Yamamoto amp and a couple of phones to a good friend for a few days and he was kind enough to jot down a some thoughts .
Although he has been deep into music and HiFi gear since the late 60s he is a fairly recent convert to headphones owning a Mapletree amp, Grado 325s and AKG 701s.

Interesting to get another opinion from someone with no vested interest.
I've just reprinted his thoughts as sent to me.
YAMAMOTO HEADPHONE AMP

Sources: Vinyl - Linn Sondek/Ittok/Dynavector 10x4
CD - Naim CD3.5 + separate Flatcap power supply

Phones: Audio Technica W1000, Grado RS1, Grado SR325, AKG K701

Music:
CD:
Blue Rodeo – Til I gain control again,
Who – Shakin’ all over,
Trio (Parton/Harris/Ronstadt) – Those memories of you,
Jackson Browne – Barricades of heaven,
Andrea Bocelli – Possente amor mi chiana,
Salif Keita- Mandjou,
Lyle Mays- Oregami,
Cowboy Junkies – Pale sun
LP:
Van Morrison- Hymns to the Silence,
Steel Pulse – Handsworth Revolution

IMHO:
·Amp is superbly revealing, especially on recording/production quality of CDs
·Music flows in a smooth, melodically detailed and rhythmic manner – for all phones
·Amps mid-range is awesome – probably unequalled. Especially so for acoustic instruments. Every subtle nuance of voices and instruments is heard
·Soundstage was astounding with the Audio Technicas – focused width and depth. Holographic – perceived reach out and touch quality
·Reveals the strengths and minor weaknesses of each phone. I found I preferred different ‘phones for different tracks. i.e. I.M.O. none of the phones was clearly ‘way out front’ of the others – sure the Grado SR325’s lacked in some respects, but then they did the live, dynamic Who track really well. I would be very happily satisfied long-term having to listen with any of the AT’s, Grado RS1 or AKGs in combo with the Yamamoto. The differences were acoustically insignificant
·Female vocals were best via the Grado RS1’s – having better body, weight and depth – Dolly Parton’s emotive voice was stunning on ‘Those memories of you.’ The AT’s perhaps slightly ‘megaphony/boxy’ for female vocals in comparison
·Previously heard ssssssibilance on cymbals and female vocals through the RS1’s on Mapletree and Perreaux headphone amps was gone with the Yamamoto
·Bass was best with the RS1’s – a touch deeper and more tuneful
·Male vocals were best via AKG’s – Van Morrison never sounded so good and Salif Keita’s every intonation and emotion was captured remarkably.
·For a real treat – go get Steel Pulse and play side one thru’ the Yamamoto!! then see if you don’t like reggae.

Summary
Truly an outstanding, musical amp right across the frequency range – with exceptional midrange excellence.
Music flows with a dynamic, melodic quality that’s revealing, emotionally engaging and euphoric.
Tuneful, rhythmic, tonally natural and accurate sound.
post #90 of 1341
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Originally Posted by Sasaki View Post
I have tried it on the last weekend at tube-audio festival in Tokyo.

It has connected with iPod. The mid to high is sweet and sound like other Yamamoto SET amps, I like the sound but I hear slight hum noise from the demo machine.
I've also noticed a very, very slight hum with the amp only on my new W5000.
It doesn't increase with volume and certainly doesn't intrude on playback sound. Maybe the new phones are a little more sensitive than the W1000 or RS1.
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