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post #1 of 30
10/10/06 at 8:53am
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i have an old copy of this cd and a new remastered version. Somehow i feel the old copy sounds much better, its murkier and "dirtier" sounding, the remastered one is just so metallic sounding...anyone else feels the same?
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post #2 of 30
10/10/06 at 9:53am
The old version is definitely murkier and dirtier. I actually think the new version is simgle biggest remastering improvement I have heard. I actually thought BB was a very overrated album for a long time. I never understood why it was so great, when there so much better electric Miles. As soon as I got the remastered box set however, this completely changed. I could actually hear seperate instruments! It was a complete revelation.

I can definitely see how one might prefer the earlier version. Most audiphile types would greater prefer the new one, imo.
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post #3 of 30
10/10/06 at 10:01am
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great to hear some feedback. However i am aware there are a few versions available. Isnt there a 20 bit version in europe, HDCD in america and DSD in japan? I am aware there are at least 2 different japanese versions and they sound different. And there is also the SACD from japan. Anyone has them?
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post #4 of 30
10/10/06 at 10:02am
I love my Bitches Brew, a gift from Tyrion, especially the first track on the second disc... Spanish Key. So good! I'll have to check which version I have.
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post #5 of 30
10/10/06 at 1:11pm
I don't have any thoughts about which release is best sound quality wise. . . . . I remember when this LP came out. It sure was considered "cutting edge" for the time. Real ground breaking, but when I listen to it now, it sure sounds dated.

It's interesting how some recordings seem to stand the test of time and other don't. Me me this release doesn't. I much prefer some of the other Miles Davis recordings.


- augustwest
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post #6 of 30
10/28/06 at 2:26pm

Bitches Brew- One of the great albums of all time.

I remember when it came out- being a child of the 60s. That album pushes all the limits of music. Go ahead John is way cool. Pharoahs Dance etc. I must have listened to it about 20,000 times in my life time. The sign of great music is when you can listen to something over and over again and something new comes into your mind that you never thought of before or you hear something in the music that is new.
I had the honor to see Miles at the Bottom Line in NYC in the 70s. He did n't play many notes, but what he played sure was profound.
Bitches Brew was far ahead of its time 30 years ago, and is still far ahead of it's time today.
Scottsmrnyc
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post #7 of 30
10/28/06 at 2:44pm
I still prefer my vinyl copy above any digital medium of the album I own.
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post #8 of 30
10/29/06 at 5:11pm
I'd also like to know if anyone out there has the SACD version. I've seen the Japanese import online, but it's about $60. I might bite on a copy if it's good.
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post #9 of 30
10/29/06 at 10:12pm
If you like Bitches Brew then you may also like Live Evil. I recently found a near mint copy of this on vinyl at a nearby used record store for a fairly low price. Pretty interesting album. Not something I can listen to all the time but definitely a keeper.
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post #10 of 30
10/30/06 at 7:42pm
I have the box set version currently, which I think is much more "open" than the older cd version I had. I haven't heard the vinyl version in years. I would like to hear the Japanese SACD version, I bet it blows them all away.
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post #11 of 30
10/31/06 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik
I'd also like to know if anyone out there has the SACD version. I've seen the Japanese import online, but it's about $60. I might bite on a copy if it's good.
About US$40.00 from HMV Japan
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post #12 of 30
11/2/06 at 10:02pm
I own the Japanese SACD of Bitches Brew. It sounds awesome - even better than the remastered box set tracks. All of the Miles Japanese SACD's I own are great - but expensive!!!
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post #13 of 30
11/3/06 at 12:46am
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Originally Posted by golgi
If you like Bitches Brew then you may also like Live Evil. I recently found a near mint copy of this on vinyl at a nearby used record store for a fairly low price. Pretty interesting album. Not something I can listen to all the time but definitely a keeper.


ummm....i think i like live evil a little better

anyway, i don't think i can ever afford all different version with so many miles davis cds available. bitches brew overated? umm maybe a little but i wouldn't use the word overated.

one more thing, i always think a grado will sound great with this kind of music, anybody know? i have a k601 but sometime i think they're a little too, slow.
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post #14 of 30
11/3/06 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by bonethugz
ummm....i think i like live evil a little better

anyway, i don't think i can ever afford all different version with so many miles davis cds available. bitches brew overated? umm maybe a little but i wouldn't use the word overated.

one more thing, i always think a grado will sound great with this kind of music, anybody know? i have a k601 but sometime i think they're a little too, slow.
If you like "Live Evil" what do you think of "The Cellar Door Sessions 1970", the six CD box set of the complete live recordings that "Live Evil" was culled from?

Back to "Bitches Brew", I have the Mosaic Records six fully analog LP issue of the complete Bitches Brew sessions which was released several years ago along with the an original LP release from the early 1070's, an early CD release, and the CD reissue. I'll give a listen to the various versions and report back my impressions.

It should be noted that Teo Macero, the original producer for all of Miles Davis' electric work while on Columbia, was never considered to produce great sounding recordings from an audiophile perspective. Groundbreaking and very creative but they often sounded like crap.
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post #15 of 30
11/3/06 at 10:46am
I got Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" when it was first released on vinyl. Those were not the "good old days" of vinyl. Vinyl was the only act in town (8 track and cassette always were "mid-fi" at best) and the record companies knew it. It took a while to grow into "Bitches Brew", but it has been impossible to grow out of for me. I have never heard a modern remastered vinyl version, but suspect it would be better than my original release vinyl and I would like it. I got the remastered CD a couple of years ago when it came out. On my Meridian G08, Arcam FMJ 21, and Ahh! Njoeb Tjoeb Super it sounds great. I think you may be saying that you need to upgrade your CD player to match your vinyl set-up.
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