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Poll: What's more important, WIRE or CONNECTORS?

post #1 of 29
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I recently had a PM exchange with a very interesting person with some very unique ideas about cables, my R10 and the the AKG K701. He was a lurker who'd read my reviews, and wanted to contact me to let me know that in his opinion, the K701 could be made to sound better than the R10, not by replacing the wires, the drivers or anything else-- but by replacing the 1/4 *connecting jack*.

At first I misunderstood him and told him I'd heard plenty of replacement cables for the Senn headphones and while they helped at the margins as cables do, there's no way they could magically transform them into R10 killers (as if! ). No, no, no, he insisted, the problem with the K701 (and presumably the Senns) was that they used such inferior *jacks*. No other aftermarket cord using all the standard aftermarket jacks need apply; in his assessment, they're all flawed.

He agreed with my basic evaluation of the stock K701 but insisted that when he replaced the stock cord, and most importantly the stock jack, with his own elaborate home-brew version, it lifted the humble K701 over the level of the R10.

In his opinion (and I'm badly paraphrasing), one of the chief reasons the R10 sounds so good is the insanely elaborate and expensive way the jack is constructed, which he detailed for me extensively. Forget drivers, enclosures, etc, for him, it was all down the the jack that made the R10 special. There is no off-the-shelf jack that matched the construction of the R10's or that of his own of his DIY version for the K701, it's totally custom.

I invited him to post here with his findings, and his jack recipe (which he assured me was WAY too expensive and elaborate to reproduce by DIYers here), but he has not sadly.

Anyway, it got me thinking about the relative importance of the quality of the jacks on your RCAs/XLRs/Headphones, and I suppose the female RCAs on all of our euipment, vs. the importance of quality wiring, cable geometry, materials, shielding, dielectric, etc. I'm thinking this relates mostly to interconnect cables, but also to headphone cables. There are very many elaborate aftermarket connectors that all the cable-makers choose from, some costing more than many major components. How important are they in determing the quality of sound reproduced by a given pair of ICs?

This thread is essentially for cable believers, because I suspect that nay-sayers will laugh and say, not only is all wire created equal, so are all connectors.

if you have any insight to share (such as the differences you heard or didn't hear when swapping different connectors on the same wire), that would also be interesting.

So, what's more critical, the medium/component that creates the connection between one component to another, or the medium that carries that signal from one to the next?
post #2 of 29
Poor connections can be a problem. To prevent that, I recommend DeoxIT or ProGold seen below. I happen to use a military grade solution that studies show works even better. This is my audio "tweak".

post #3 of 29
Voted the comedy option, but low quality connectors can cause interference compared to high quality ones, and poor mechanical construction means sooner wear. It's generally worth it to invest in reasonably priced higher-quality connectors for those, ah, pragmatic reasons alone, and moreso I would imagine if you're constructing an exotic cable.
post #4 of 29
I'm not sure of what to make of this, Mark. I'm not a techincal type, so I won't pretend to 'know' the 'correct' anwser. I suspect that, "It depends" is probably correct, but I don't know what it depends on.

Anyway, this is good news for me because I intend to eventually put balanced cables on my R10's, and then I'll be able to use my original R10 plug for the adapter cable that will accompany them (i.e., to convert them back to single ended for use with any amps other than the SDS-XLR). The great thing about it is that this adapter cable can also be put to use with any pair of balanced headphones in my stash when I want to listen to them on a single ended amp. I was going to use a Neutrix plug, but if the R10 plug is such a winner, why not recycle it?
post #5 of 29
So what does the magic R10 plug look like?
post #6 of 29
Looks like a well used one here...


Sony MDR-R10 Plug
post #7 of 29
Any thoughts why Sony uses green rings instead of black ones?
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by Zorander
Any thoughts why Sony uses green rings instead of black ones?
I am of the belief that green makes it sound more open, like a pasture. Of course, if you can get a slightly different shade, it will probably be greener on that side of the pasture.

(maybe because it looks more woodlandish?)
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by NotJeffBuckley
I am of the belief that green makes it sound more open, like a pasture. Of course, if you can get a slightly different shade, it will probably be greener on that side of the pasture.

(maybe because it looks more woodlandish?)
I like that!
post #10 of 29
Cables made a bigger difference in my system. But I still have most of my cables hardwired.

The first power cord I hardwired made a very small difference, I wasn't sure there was one. But the more I hardwired the bigger the improvements got. It sounds smoother with more low-level detail.
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by JohnFerrier
Looks like a well used one here...


Sony MDR-R10 Plug
shows perfectly that even the sony r10 uses just a simple guilded plug with bad conducting basic materials.

I bet you can improve on that with a high quality plug!

I would say, it's a combination of better cables and a high quality plug.

A good cable attached to a very cheap and bad plug can destroy any advantage of the expensive cables.
post #12 of 29
Uh, that picture will give me nightmares...
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
Uh, that picture will give me nightmares...
I would replace it immediatly myself.
post #14 of 29
Another point to consider in cables is the way they attach to the connectors, according to some manufacturers they preffer crimping them by high quality tools, rather than to attach them soldering, and introducing another material in the equation, and irregulatities in the process...if you check the Blue Jeans website they offer a few good points regarding that, soldering sometimes if the weakest link in a cable...
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
But I still have most of my cables hardwired.
I like that idea.
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