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post #46 of 65
12/9/06 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Vul Kuolun View Post
lol. Do you know the difference between data compression and dynamics compression at all?

If you compress a mp3, the first thing you'll notice is that the dynamics are gone. It doesn't have the same pressure as the original.
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post #47 of 65
12/9/06 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by Vul Kuolun View Post
lol. Do you know the difference between data compression and dynamics compression at all?
One still contains all the info in a file by compressing its size

the other has totally removed some information

if u use the analogy on a human, one was probably mummified while the other has certain body parts cut off and burnt to ashes
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post #48 of 65
12/9/06 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Konig View Post
noise from switching power supplies?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply


http://www.psaudio.com/products/moreinfo.asp
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Each of the 5 IsoZones on the rear of the Premier Power Plant separates equipment noise. All electronic equipment generates AC line noise, some more than others. When you plug a digital device in the same receptacle as an analog device, the noise of one can interfere and contaminate the performance of the other. To solve this problem, you need effective isolation between equipment.
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post #49 of 65
12/9/06 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by immtbiker View Post
The Premier cost $2195 in the US. Why not have a fellow Head-Fier buy one in the US and spend $75 to send it over to you?
$2195 + $305 shipping + $75 + 4% Paypal fee = $2678

+ 27% customs = $3353

Shipping from Sweden to USA is double the price so if there is something wrong with the Premier it will cost $4228 total. And if I have bad luck (I will) I need to pay taxes again, so $5578 total. And if I have more bad luck, my 2nd Premier will be bad too so I need to send it back again = $7803.

I rather spend $3600 to get warranty.
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post #50 of 65
12/9/06 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by Konig View Post
One still contains all the info in a file by compressing its size

the other has totally removed some information

if u use the analogy on a human, one was probably mummified while the other has certain body parts cut off and burnt to ashes
This is getting better and better. You guys absolutely rule.
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post #51 of 65
12/9/06 at 9:32pm
are u tempted by isoclean?
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post #52 of 65
12/10/06 at 10:17am
You should start seeing some comments on the new P3 as the first batches are shipping. Mine is scheduled to ship from Audio Advisor this coming week.
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post #53 of 65
12/12/06 at 9:44pm
My P3 came in yesterday shipping direct from PS Audio instead of going to Audio Advisor and then to me. Saves time and money avoiding the middle step. It was pretty cold from the trip so I have just left it to warm up to room temperature the past 24 hours. I will get it connected tonight.

I also received my new Grover S cable so I have 2 new toys for XMAS. Thank-you Santa for an early XMAS.
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post #54 of 65
12/12/06 at 10:59pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
The first Valhalla cable I bought gave most for my money in my system. The 2nd Valhalla gave me more. The more Valhalla I added the bigger the improvements got because less weaknesses were left. The last Valhalla power cord I added gave the biggest improvement because it removed the biggest weakness that was left.
so with less error to correct for, you got more error correction? you should be upto at least 300% error correction now! maybe more.
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Ok, I had another dream now. Audio has started leaking into my dreams!

In my dream I was hearing perfect audio with a blacker background than I have now. So now I need to get the Premier because once you go black you can't go back.
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Am I dreaming now? I'm already getting the sound of my dreams now. ERS Paper for my Cary transport did this! Oh my god, how can it sound any blacker than this! This is how I dreamt it! It just keeps getting better and better, the connectors needed weeks of burn-in after unplugging them OMG.
(now for the quote from another thread)
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
Silver plated cable sounds like a thin and thick conductor combined, it makes everything more distinct and the contrast ratio will sound bigger which gives fake dynamics and transparency. The background isn't supposed to be that black, it's fake. If you add whiter whites into a grey background then it looks blacker! The opposite is true as well.
i dunno, you wrote 2 totally different things in 2 different threads. hey, by betting for both ideas of audio, you can be guaranteed of being correct 50% of the time unless one of them is obviously wrong, in which case anyone would have bet for the better bet.
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post #55 of 65
12/13/06 at 1:20am
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Originally Posted by nikongod View Post
so with less error to correct for, you got more error correction? you should be upto at least 300% error correction now! maybe more.
Error correction? I am talking about bottlenecks. If you have 10 bottlenecks and cure 1 of them, then the difference will be very small. But if you only have only 1 bottleneck left out of 10, then the improvement will be huge.

So the more bottlenecks you cure the bigger the improvements will become until all bottlenecks are gone.

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(now for the quote from another thread)

i dunno, you wrote 2 totally different things in 2 different threads. hey, by betting for both ideas of audio, you can be guaranteed of being correct 50% of the time unless one of them is obviously wrong, in which case anyone would have bet for the better bet.
Different how? ERS Paper gave a blacker background which made me hear the signature of Valhalla cables easier. ERS Paper gives a true black background while the Valhalla gives a fake black background.
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post #56 of 65
12/17/06 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Audio Addict View Post
My P3 came in yesterday shipping direct from PS Audio instead of going to Audio Advisor and then to me. Saves time and money avoiding the middle step. It was pretty cold from the trip so I have just left it to warm up to room temperature the past 24 hours. I will get it connected tonight.
So, any impressions?

No response usually means:
1) There is something wrong with the equipment and it needs to be sent back.
2) It gave a too small improvement and was disappointing.
3) The improvement was so huge that the listener got shocked and died.
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post #57 of 65
12/17/06 at 11:47am
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I see in PS Audio forums people are having problems with the Premier, seems like they messed up pretty good. I already ordered the Premier a week ago and it will be delivered in a month, I haven't paid for it yet though.
Too bad the Thor isn't available on Audiogon anymore...

I remember now why I wanted another Power Plant in the first place, so I can demagnetize my computer, it's already worth the price of the Premier for me. I'm using Ultimate Outlet now to save electricity.

See old post: http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showp...5&postcount=31
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
After 19 hours without demagnetizing it sounded HORRIBLE . Everything was masked with brightness, I couldn't hear transients, highs were like a big block of brightness and mid-range sounded muddy, every album was like this. It didn't sound like real life.

But then I did the 60 second Clean Sweep for the computer...

OH MY GOD! Everything sounds SHARP with subtle transients everywhere, they are not masked with brightness anymore! Each album is very sharp and transparent. There's more blackness in between transients.
I can't be without this.

This is sad. Now I need to have loud 40cm fan running on max speed.
Ok, that does it, now I'm really getting the Premier!
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post #58 of 65
12/17/06 at 12:10pm
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3) The improvement was so huge that the listener got shocked and died.
Must have been one of your solder jobs then.
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post #59 of 65
12/17/06 at 1:56pm
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My interconnect mod gave huge improvements.
For the first time it sounds acceptable to listen whole day, I don't want to turn off music.

I'm scared of the Premier now, people are having problems... A part of me feels that if I don't get the Premier I'm stopping in front of the finish line in a race. But the other part feels that the finish line is a cliff and I will fall over.

I guess I will keep my other gear on my P300 and use the Premier just for the computer, cheap to replace if it blows up, I need a new graphics card anyway.
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post #60 of 65
12/17/06 at 5:12pm
I received my P3 this week. So far I am very satisfied with it. Currently I am only running my Meridian DSP 5200 speakers into it as the power cord for my Meridian G08 is too short to fit.

I have learned that you can't switch instantly back and forth with the MutliWave On vs. Off as it wasn't designed for this. The remote makes it very easy to do this but it takes a few seconds for it to kick in and if you're not patient enough, it mutes my system for a couple of seconds.
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