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post #31 of 65
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Bargain
being a bit sarcastic huh?
post #32 of 65
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Ok, now I'm confused.

They have taken out the Super Filter from Premier because of EMI. http://www.psaudio.com/account/forum...1&topicID=4116

That Super Filter is only in Quintessence, so eventually I would need Quintessence + Premier.

I checked the new prices at Audiogon and counted shipping, Paypal fee and taxes. If I buy the Premier from Sweden I'm losing $450, but if I get the Quintessence I'm only losing $150 and I get warranty. It's pretty obvious I need to get that one first.

So eventually I would have Nordost Thor -> Quintessence -> Premier -> P300.
It seems like the end result would be pretty muddy sounding. I don't like it.

It doesn't seem good to have a big muddy filter in the signal path. As long as the edginess isn't annoying it's good enough, I don't want to sacrifice the speed. I don't think I'm getting Nordost Thor either. I rather get another Valhalla digital cable for my computer, at least then I know what I'm getting. I don't like surprises.
post #33 of 65
Damn. Cable costs more than my entire rig. I guess I'm gonna have to settle on earplugs to get my "black" sound.
post #34 of 65
Thread Starter 

Enlightenment. Power conditioning sucks.

I plugged my computer into the wall instead of Ultimate Outlet and it made it sound faster on the surface but the AC noise made it sound more open which masked low-level resolution. Background wasn't black anymore! Ultimate Outlet was little better overall, but it made it slower.

Power conditioning sucks. I don't want to pay for something that makes it worse. The background just needs to be as black that it is acceptable. The more power conditioning you add the worse it gets overall because eventually you won't hear an improvement in blackness anymore.

Only power supply manipulation with P300 Power Plant is good enough because it doesn't add any weaknesses. I don't like the muddy input transformers but MWave4 is so good that it makes it better overall. Clean Sweep is important too.

Now I know that I'm not getting the Premier, I just need something small to put between P300 and wall that reduces AC noise little more than Ultimate Outlet but still sounds faster. Premier would be overkill in blackness.

So my choice is either Duet or Nordost Thor. Thor should give a blacker background, but what about the speed?
post #35 of 65
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The difference between Ultimate Outlet and wall is crazy. My system sounded very black and suddenly it sounds very open. It sounds the opposite! This is what I would call night and day. My system hasn't sounded this open for many months.

Valhalla power cord sounds best when plugged into the wall. But when using power conditioning it sounds too black and needs to be modified. 1 conductor needs to be disconnected for every power conditioner you add to the path. Valhalla has 3 conductors per signal. With Ultimate Outlet + P300 I need to use 1 conductor to get synergy.

With computer you need 1 extra conductor because it has extra jitter. 3 conductor Valhalla with Ultimate Outlet sounded perfect. When computer is plugged to wall it sounds a little broken, broken but fast!
post #36 of 65
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The difference between Ultimate Outlet and wall is crazy. My system sounded very black and suddenly it sounds very open.
I also did not like the sound of my amp (PS Audio GCC-250) when plugged into an Ultimate Outlet (I also tried a UPC-200 with the same result) and ended up just using the wall outlet. From the wall, bass sounded much stronger and detailed.

But then I tried a Duet...what a difference! The new PS Audio technology is MUCH better than their old stuff. I now use the GCC-250 out of a Duet and have the best of both worlds (blackness and openness with bass detail). You should give it a try. I immediately ordered a PP Premier after hearing how much improved their new generation of products is...I'll write a report on it once it arrives.
post #37 of 65
Don't get lost in your gear, get lost in your music. Try listening to it for once.
post #38 of 65
Thread Starter 

Toroid + MWave4 = Match made in heaven!

Ok, I'm getting the Premier.

I have realized that Toroidal transformers need MWave4 but with other transformers it isn't as important.

The bigger the Toroid is the bigger the improvement. When I went from MWave1 to MWave4 for my old Krell KAV-500i it made a bigger difference than Vishnu vs Valhalla power cord. Valhalla power cord for Krell made the biggest improvement in my system at that time.
My Benchmark DAC1 has a Toroid and I heard huge improvements when I changed from MWave1 to MWave4.
My new ICEpower amp (GCC-100) doesn't benefit from MWave4 that much so I can move it to the Premier along with the rest.

I will only use the P300 Power Plant for gear with Toroidal transformers.
post #39 of 65
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Ok after 8 days, they responded 4 hours after I wrote that, coincidence?They are reading this forum!

It seems like Premier is the way to go then. Or maybe some Noise Harvesters will make the background black enough that music becomes listenable with my modded cables. I removed some detail so there's no problem now, but I miss it too much.

This autumn is crazy, everything is released at once. 1080p projectors, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, new Stewart Firehawk screen, Geforce 8800gtx, Windows Vista, Playstation 3, 1080p harddrive camcorders, Slimdevices Transporter, Tara Labs Zero, Noise Harvesters, Premier. OMG so much! No wonder they put the introductory offer!
im still waiting for 1TB hard disks and some clever mathematician to figure out a formula to replace those lost bits in compressed audio files.

For active power filtering the isoclean transfomers look like some serious stuff.
For passive power filtering u juz cant beat the walker velocitor s for looks and style.

patrick, do u know y some ppl keep their digital components to one power conditioner while all the analogue components to another?
post #40 of 65
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patrick, do u know y some ppl keep their digital components to one power conditioner while all the analogue components to another?
Because of noise from switching power supplies. I haven't been able to try it though.
post #41 of 65
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im still waiting for 1TB hard disks and some clever mathematician to figure out a formula to replace those lost bits in compressed audio files.

For active power filtering the isoclean transfomers look like some serious stuff.
For passive power filtering u juz cant beat the walker velocitor s for looks and style.

patrick, do u know y some ppl keep their digital components to one power conditioner while all the analogue components to another?

You can NEVER add something that is MISSING! Lost bits cannot be added! Lost information is loosing detail and dynamics! The first thing you'll notice of compressed audio is that the dynamics are gone!
post #42 of 65
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Because of noise from switching power supplies. I haven't been able to try it though.
noise from switching power supplies?
post #43 of 65
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You can NEVER add something that is MISSING! Lost bits cannot be added! Lost information is loosing detail and dynamics! The first thing you'll notice of compressed audio is that the dynamics are gone!
thats y the mathematicians has to be smart
post #44 of 65
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You can NEVER add something that is MISSING! Lost bits cannot be added! Lost information is loosing detail and dynamics! The first thing you'll notice of compressed audio is that the dynamics are gone!
lol. Do you know the difference between data compression and dynamics compression at all?
post #45 of 65
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I checked the price and it's $3600 here, crazy , there's no way I will pay that much. I could get 3 Premiers used for that price, too bad they have a fixed input voltage, I can't import them from USA then.
The Premier cost $2195 in the US. Why not have a fellow Head-Fier buy one in the US and spend $75 to send it over to you?
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