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post #16 of 65
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MultiWave II = Best tweak ever!

I can't replace P300 with Premier because I NEED MWave4. Premier can only do MWave1.
With MWave1 the bass is gone and midrange is emphasized but the midrange detail is worse! I lasted only 5 minutes until I wanted to change back. With MWave4 there is CRAZY BASS and more midrange detail, background is much blacker and everything sounds warmer. It is better in every way. After 10 months of experimentation, the power supply of GCC-100 amp and Benchmark DAC1 work best with MWave4!

So I need to put Premier between wall and P300. Stacking Premier on top of P300 doesn't seem to work. But I could replace the Ultimate Outlet I have on top with a Duet Power Center. Little better without higher electricity bill... I can live with crappy sound if I save electricity in the process! I need to keep the bang for buck system intact.

Wrapping my whole system in ERS Paper removed most of the background noise I was complaining about, now my system is listenable again! I can listen for hours without writing "horrible" into my logs, it seems good enough. I haven't found anything about the sound to complain about anymore. I stopped writing into my logs because of no complaints, hmm. I guess my crappy ears will save me some cash then.
I don't know what else to buy though. I bought some food but the more I ate the hungrier I got, I ate a bag of chips and it didn't feel good. I like empty burning stomach better, it feels more consistent.

My goal was to use 1 conductor Valhalla power cords without the background noise. ERS Paper solved that, I guess I'm done then.
But it seems like I'm missing something, I don't want to turn into an ignorant skeptic with a crappy system thinking it is good enough.
post #17 of 65
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
You are right. Valhalla power cord is all I care about. After I hardwired the Valhallas it sounds acceptable now. How can it get better than this? If it sounds acceptable I don't need anything better! I think I'm just going to buy 1 Noise Harvester to see if it makes a difference. I'm too poor to gamble on more. But with $30k Valhalla cables there is no gamble, amazing cable, it gave more than I paid for, I should probably quit while I'm ahead. I want to keep my bang for buck system intact!
bang for buck and $30k cables do not belong together at all...
post #18 of 65
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Originally Posted by MoxMonkey
bang for buck and $30k cables do not belong together at all...
The first Valhalla cable I bought gave most for my money in my system. The 2nd Valhalla gave me more. The more Valhalla I added the bigger the improvements got because less weaknesses were left. The last Valhalla power cord I added gave the biggest improvement because it removed the biggest weakness that was left.
post #19 of 65
Based on the great experience I've had with the new Duet (it definitely is a big improvement over their previous components like the Ultimate Outlet and UPC-200), I think they really might be onto something new. I have a Premier on order, so I'll be reporting back as soon as I hear it. By the way, did you hear they came up with yet another improvement to the filtering just before it was about to begin production, which is why it was delayed another month?
post #20 of 65
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
The first Valhalla cable I bought gave most for my money in my system. The 2nd Valhalla gave me more. The more Valhalla I added the bigger the improvements got because less weaknesses were left. The last Valhalla power cord I added gave the biggest improvement because it removed the biggest weakness that was left.
Wait so the cable replaced you?
post #21 of 65
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Originally Posted by grandenigma1
Wait so the cable replaced you?
post #22 of 65
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Originally Posted by grandenigma1
Wait so the cable replaced you?
ouch. .

duh, he had to sell his liver and heart, well, yeah, he's dead
post #23 of 65
Thread Starter 

Dreaming if clean power

Ok, I had another dream now. Audio has started leaking into my dreams!

In my dream I was hearing perfect audio with a blacker background than I have now. So now I need to get the Premier because once you go black you can't go back.

Does it work better to mix multiple power conditioners than many identical ones?
I would get Thor and dump some noise into the ground, then Premier to reduce the noise that is left, then P300 for MWAVE4.

What do you think, Thor+Premier or Premier+Premier?
post #24 of 65
Buy everything.
Open it with a can opener.
Bitch it up with large clumps of solder.
Put radioactive toilet paper in it.
post #25 of 65
Thread Starter 

ERS Paper = Best tweak ever!

OH MY GOD!

Am I dreaming now? I'm already getting the sound of my dreams now. ERS Paper for my Cary transport did this! Oh my god, how can it sound any blacker than this! This is how I dreamt it! It just keeps getting better and better, the connectors needed weeks of burn-in after unplugging them OMG.

I'm worried now that jamming the signal path with more power conditioners and longer Valhalla cables will just make it all muddy and I wouldn't hear the increase in blackness anyway.
I'm thinking of Noise Harvester and Duet again.
post #26 of 65
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
The first Valhalla cable I bought gave most...
The 2nd Valhalla gave me more...
The more Valhalla I added the bigger the improvements...
The last Valhalla power cord I added gave the biggest improvement...
Makes sense...

Man, you are indeed wired. Here was I thinking your avatar was a retouch.
post #27 of 65
Thread Starter 

MWave4 = Best tweak ever!

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
I can't replace P300 with Premier because I NEED MWave4. Premier can only do MWave1...
Since I want to save more electricity I tried it again, I was hoping to replace P300 with Premier, but after more experimentation I can't see how Premier could be any better. The difference between MWave1 and MWave4 makes the biggest difference in my system.

I moved my transport from Power Plant into Ultimate Outlet and it still sounded better than when all components were using MWave1. So the difference between MWave1 and MWave4 is bigger than Ultimate Outlet vs Power Plant.

MWave4 is both warmer and more transparent than MWave1. More detail, blacker background, more bass, more body, more transparency, better highs, smoother, fuller, warmer, faster, more realistic, everything!
It makes MWave1 sound broken in comparison, there is lack of detail and it sounds too open, now I understand why people get a blacker background when they daisy chain multiple Power Plants together. But with one Power Plant and MWave4 I can't see how it can get any blacker than this, where is the weakness? I don't hear anything wrong!
post #28 of 65
Thread Starter 
I bought $100 worth of biscuits and ate them in 3 weeks, it didn't seem like a good bang for my buck. It was an experiment and I thought I would hate biscuits afterwards but now I developed an addiction instead. I didn't eat enough biscuits.

It's better to be addicted to clean power, it doesn't make me as fat. I'm still curious what the Premier will do, it seems like I will try it for 30 days and return if I don't like it. I hope I can resist the urge to tweak it to pieces before then, maybe I can slide some ERS Paper inside without anyone knowing..."Oops some paper fell inside".

Does anyone know if the 30 day evaluation starts on the day of delivery or the day of payment?
post #29 of 65
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Patrick82 View Post
I'm still curious what the Premier will do, it seems like I will try it for 30 days and return if I don't like it.
I checked the price and it's $3600 here, crazy , there's no way I will pay that much. I could get 3 Premiers used for that price, too bad they have a fixed input voltage, I can't import them from USA then.

My only choice is Nordost Thor then. Checking price in Sweden...$4600 OH MY GOD! Checking price on Audiogon...$1900, ahahahaha.
post #30 of 65
Bargain
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