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Power Plant Premier or Nordost Thor?

post #1 of 65
9/26/06 at 9:27am
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It will replace my Ultimate Outlet between wall and P300 Power Plant.

Bang for buck guy doesn't buy new, I will tweak it to pieces anyway. Buying Thor used would be cheaper. Then I can get Premier used a year later. So eventually it would be: Thor -> Premier -> P300.

Distributor hasn't responded to my e-mail about Premier so I guess I take it as a sign and get Thor instead then? It's going to save me electricity too, I need to plug computer into something, with the Premier it is 15% extra watts, but with Thor I can't demagnetize computer.

4 days left until the $200 cheaper introductory offer expires. What to do?
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post #2 of 65
9/26/06 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
It will replace my Ultimate Outlet between wall and P300 Power Plant.

Bang for buck guy doesn't buy new, I will tweak it to pieces anyway. Buying Thor used would be cheaper. Then I can get Premier used a year later. So eventually it would be: Thor -> Premier -> P300.

Distributor hasn't responded to my e-mail about Premier so I guess I take it as a sign and get Thor instead then? It's going to save me electricity too, I need to plug computer into something, with the Premier it is 15% extra watts, but with Thor I can't demagnetize computer.

4 days left until the $200 cheaper introductory offer expires. What to do?
The Nordost is made by another company called isotek. So i suggest to get an isotek instead, wich might be even cheaper then the Nordost Thor.

This one seems also a very good one:
shunyata hydra 8

• 8 Shunyata Venom Silver outlets
• “Trident Defense System”
• 2400 watts @ 20 amps continuous
• Surge protection (40,000A)
• Four individual, isolated circuits
• 16 element Venom Noise Filter
• Massive CDA-101 buss bars
• FeSi-1000 noise-reduction compound
• Detachable 20A inlet
• Aluminum chassis

Not cheap though Way over 2000 euro's
And the PS audio powerplants 300, 500 and 1000 watts.


Best bang for the buck would be the G&W powerplant at www.ornec.com
according to people who have tested both, it does the same thing as the 8 times more expensive isotek.

You have to try them out in your system, some amps filter themselfs and don't improve by using a powerplant or conditioner! They get even worse!
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post #3 of 65
9/26/06 at 11:55am
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The silver plated circuit board paths is what I need. But I don't need the internal Valhalla wiring because I will use my own and bypass them anyway. It feels bad to pay for something I don't need.
I have all my Valhallas hardwired into P300 with everything bypassed.

Then I have the 3rd option; keep the Ultimate Outlet and not buy anything more. Maybe I will get used to the background noise eventually. I could of course unmod my Valhallas to the original fatness to hide the noise and bring back the fake black background, but I don't want to remove all the detail I have gained from modding them.
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post #4 of 65
9/26/06 at 2:21pm
i am planning on getting the premier, but after the discount
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post #5 of 65
9/26/06 at 10:22pm
The PS audio premier looks really nice. The Nordost thor is made by isotek, so two different products and visions. Wich one is best, i dunno, both have good reputation. Only your ears can tell in your own setup!

Don't rule out the shunyata hydra 8 yet, it suppose to be realy good!
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post #6 of 65
9/26/06 at 11:46pm
Another vote for the Premier here. I'll probably order one myself. This is what these guys do best, and they've been doing it for years. This is probably the best power re-generator ever made. The feature set is impressive and, if you really don't like it, you'll probably be able to sell it on Audiogon for almost as much as you paid (if you get the discounted price).
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post #7 of 65
9/27/06 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
Distributor hasn't responded to my e-mail about Premier so I guess I take it as a sign and get Thor instead then?
Ok after 8 days, they responded 4 hours after I wrote that, coincidence?They are reading this forum!

It seems like Premier is the way to go then. Or maybe some Noise Harvesters will make the background black enough that music becomes listenable with my modded cables. I removed some detail so there's no problem now, but I miss it too much.

This autumn is crazy, everything is released at once. 1080p projectors, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, new Stewart Firehawk screen, Geforce 8800gtx, Windows Vista, Playstation 3, 1080p harddrive camcorders, Slimdevices Transporter, Tara Labs Zero, Noise Harvesters, Premier. OMG so much! No wonder they put the introductory offer!
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post #8 of 65
9/27/06 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
Ok after 8 days, they responded 4 hours after I wrote that, coincidence?They are reading this forum!

It seems like Premier is the way to go then. Or maybe some Noise Harvesters will make the background black enough that music becomes listenable with my modded cables. I removed some detail so there's no problem now, but I miss it too much.

This autumn is crazy, everything is released at once. 1080p projectors, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, new Stewart Firehawk screen, Geforce 8800gtx, Windows Vista, Playstation 3, 1080p harddrive camcorders, Slimdevices Transporter, Tara Labs Zero, Noise Harvesters, Premier. OMG so much! No wonder they put the introductory offer!
No one said you have to buy all these at once.
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post #9 of 65
9/27/06 at 1:20pm
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Uh, just when I thought I made up my mind I get newsletter from highend-broker selling a used Nordost Thor, fate or coincidence? They are watching this forum!

If I can't decide I usually choose the one that saves me most money in the long run. Putting Premier in the path instead of Thor would boost up my electricity bill with 80 watts or so. Listening to music when seeing electricity bill getting boosted up is no good... But the reason I want Premier in the first place is so I don't need to use the P300 step-up transformer with my 230volt Cary transport.

Replacing P300 with Premier is going to save me electricity, but it doesn't work in my setup unless I buy 3 meter Valhalla power cord for my computer, and those can't be found used.

So it's going to be bad no matter what I do. I have spent weeks planning and every choice leads to a dead-end. I need to find the "invisible door" somewhere... I guess I just need to wait until I can see it.
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post #10 of 65
9/27/06 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
Uh, just when I thought I made up my mind I get newsletter from highend-broker selling a used Nordost Thor, fate or coincidence? They are watching this forum!

If I can't decide I usually choose the one that saves me most money in the long run. Putting Premier in the path instead of Thor would boost up my electricity bill with 80 watts or so. Listening to music when seeing electricity bill getting boosted up is no good... But the reason I want Premier in the first place is so I don't need to use the P300 step-up transformer with my 230volt Cary transport.

Replacing P300 with Premier is going to save me electricity, but it doesn't work in my setup unless I buy 3 meter Valhalla power cord for my computer, and those can't be found used.

So it's going to be bad no matter what I do. I have spent weeks planning and every choice leads to a dead-end. I need to find the "invisible door" somewhere... I guess I just need to wait until I can see it.

If you're concerned about your electricity bill, you shouldn't look at active filters like the thor and premier. Since these act like a class a amp, they draw plenty of power, passive filters however don't or way, way less.

Strange to hear from somebody that spends so much on cables and equipment and whining about a bit of electricity. Some power amps draw 3000 watts!

I concur however that the reference series of Nordost are one of the best cables around!
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post #11 of 65
10/8/06 at 4:56am
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Originally Posted by tourmaline
Strange to hear from somebody that spends so much on cables and equipment and whining about a bit of electricity. Some power amps draw 3000 watts!
Electricity is important because I will keep the same system my whole life.

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Originally Posted by tourmaline
I concur however that the reference series of Nordost are one of the best cables around!
Nordost Valhalla cures upgraditis!


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Originally Posted by Patrick82
I have spent weeks planning and every choice leads to a dead-end. I need to find the "invisible door" somewhere... I guess I just need to wait until I can see it.
I found the door. Partsconnexion had a 15% summer sale that ended 30th september, I bought some ERS paper and got a $84 discount, 32 sheets may not be enough for my whole system but it's better than nothing.
Hopefully that will take care of some background noise. Even if it doesn't I don't care, because it already sounds good now. For the first time my system sounds acceptable. My previous tweak was hardwiring Valhallas into P300 Power Plant.
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post #12 of 65
10/8/06 at 5:06am
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Dreaming of clean power

Yesterday I dreamt of PS Audio Noise Harvesters blinking in my room. So I will get a few of those.
A week ago I dreamt of a new power conditioner by PS Audio. Yesterday I dreamt of it again. It didn't look like Premier though.

I will wait until someone sells them used, bang for buck bum doesn't buy new.
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post #13 of 65
10/8/06 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by Patrick82
Yesterday I dreamt of PS Audio Noise Harvesters blinking in my room. So I will get a few of those.
A week ago I dreamt of a new power conditioner by PS Audio. Yesterday I dreamt of it again. It didn't look like Premier though.

I will wait until someone sells them used, bang for buck bum doesn't buy new.
yup, second hand, the money/value is much higher. Let somebody else pay the premium.
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post #14 of 65
10/8/06 at 10:20am
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post #15 of 65
10/12/06 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller
I thought that you were happy with your system the way it was. According to you, all the gear that you tried after you purchased the Valhalla power cords sounded the same anyway. Why bother to keep on upgrading? According to that crtieria they will still sound the same, as all you are hearing is the power cords, right???....
You are right. Valhalla power cord is all I care about. After I hardwired the Valhallas it sounds acceptable now. How can it get better than this? If it sounds acceptable I don't need anything better! I think I'm just going to buy 1 Noise Harvester to see if it makes a difference. I'm too poor to gamble on more. But with $30k Valhalla cables there is no gamble, amazing cable, it gave more than I paid for, I should probably quit while I'm ahead. I want to keep my bang for buck system intact!
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