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Originally Posted by gregr507 View Post

Thanks man :) man this is addictive, I'm already wondering how much more I'd get of a lyr rather than the e9. Unfortunately my budget won't allow a more expensive amp right now

 

Those 650's will continue to burn in and open up for a while. You can use pink noise or just let them burn in use. The e09k gets them to about 80% of their potential and sounds pretty dang good. The lyr will give them another 15%...these are just my own rough numbers. A wise man would just buy the lyr, if it's in the budget, and not buy another thing and just enjoy one of the best setups out there IMO. Okay...maybe you could roll a few tubes. wink.gif


Edited by MattTCG - 12/10/12 at 4:28am
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Originally Posted by B-Dawk20 View Post

Now that I'm going to get these, I wonder how they sound with stuff like prince....

They will sound like a Raspberry Beret....

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Originally Posted by B-Dawk20 View Post

Now that I'm going to get these, I wonder how they sound with stuff like prince....


your eardrums will feel like Prince just gave them a ba-na-na-na-na-na-na-na.....kiss.

 

ok, too much, maybe..

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Yeah, the "veil" people always say really is the one thing that's been holding me back. It's just now the more I hear people talk about it, the more the headphone doesn't seem veiled, just not aggressive and more natural and musical.

 

Keep in mind when people talk about that so called veil, it's about the HD650's sound signature. It's not a description of some kind of technical defficiency.

 

It's just the way the HD650's may sound when you're used to different headphones. If a person has spent ten years of their lives listening to Grados, chances are pretty big they're not going to trust getting used to the HD650's sound if the difference is initially experienced as jarring and when they could get a Grado of the HD650's priceclass instead. That's just how humans typically tend to work.

 

I myself was only used to the 598's for a couple of years, and that was pretty much all my experience with high end cans. Admittedly, when I first got the 650's, I too noticed how the 650's seemed to almost be muffled and dark sounding compared to the 598's. But as you get used to the headphones, you start understanding how it presents music (and why). That understanding makes it so that I can now listen to the 598's for hours, but if I switch back to the HD650, there's no impression of a veil or dark sound at all anymore. It just doesn't occur to me and I think it has mainly to do with the unconscious process of understanding the approach of the headphones.

 

I guess much of the complaints about the HD650 being veiled stem from listeners being used to largly or totally polar opposites of the 650's sound signature.


Edited by Nirvana Woman - 12/10/12 at 9:36am
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What was your source material -> DAC->Amp?

 

Flac->Stx->Lehmann Audio Black Cube Linear->HD 650

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Originally Posted by Nirvana Woman View Post

 

Keep in mind when people talk about that so called veil, it's about the HD650's sound signature. It's not a description of some kind of technical defficiency.

 

It's just the way the HD650's may sound when you're used to different headphones. If a person has spent ten years of their lives listening to Grados, chances are pretty big they're not going to trust getting used to the HD650's sound if the difference is initially experienced as jarring and when they could get a Grado of the HD650's priceclass instead. That's just how humans typically tend to work.

 

I myself was only used to the 598's for a couple of years, and that was pretty much all my experience with high end cans. Admittedly, when I first got the 650's, I too noticed how the 650's seemed to almost be muffled and dark sounding compared to the 598's. But as you get used to the headphones, you start understanding how it presents music (and why). That understanding makes it so that I can now listen to the 598's for hours, but if I switch back to the HD650, there's no impression of a veil or dark sound at all anymore. It just doesn't occur to me and I think it has mainly to do with the unconscious process of understanding the approach of the headphones.

 

I guess much of the complaints about the HD650 being veiled stem from listeners being used to largly or totally polar opposites of the 650's sound signature.

 

I think there is a lot truth here. Whenever someone describes something as dark, bright, bassy ect...they don't usually in comparison to a perfect flat or neutral hp. Typically it's based on other headphones that they've owned. 

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double post


Edited by gregr507 - 12/10/12 at 2:33pm
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Those 650's will continue to burn in and open up for a while. You can use pink noise or just let them burn in use. The e09k gets them to about 80% of their potential and sounds pretty dang good. The lyr will give them another 15%...these are just my own rough numbers. A wise man would just buy the lyr, if it's in the budget, and not buy another thing and just enjoy one of the best setups out there IMO. Okay...maybe you could roll a few tubes. wink.gif

 

Yeah the Lyr is definitely an option down the line since I've heard they just go so well together. But I'm already enjoying them so much I have a hard time justifying it at the moment! Maybe ignorance is bliss?

 

After a few days of listening, I have to say that one my favorite aspects of these cans is how comfortable and non-fatiguing they are. I literally wore them for hours on end yesterday and never even felt the need to take them off. Almost forgot they were there. Very happy with my purchase

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Mine had a touch to much clamp when I first got them, but then the pads "settled" to my head and now they are the most comfortable hp that I own. wink.gif

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I have to say, I really think the HD650s have opened up after having them for a month. They sound better than ever. Vocals on these are just........ breathtaking. Listen to this in 720p to know what I mean:

 

 

You'll thank me.

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Hi guys. Just got it !!!!

 

I have written a review about it ..... Here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/640475/i-got-my-hd650-my-impressions-the-veil-demystified

 

 

Take care

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Hey guys, will definitely upgrade my DAC/get an amp instead of portable 2-in-1 udac2 I have. (prolly O2+ODAC when I can afford it)

 

but will these be appreciably better than HD595 in the meanwhile with udac2?

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Congrats to all the new HD650 owners. beerchug.gif
I waited a year to pick these up thinking they would be too dark. I never expected to like them as much as I have, or to see them continually get the most headtime. The 650s have their own character, they don't fit perfectly into the upgrade path.
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You'll thank me.
You were right. Thanks. Just played the album on MOG. Great vocals.
Edited by Draygonn - 12/11/12 at 1:44am
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Originally Posted by Draygonn View Post

Congrats to all the new HD650 owners. beerchug.gif
I waited a year to pick these up thinking they would be too dark. I never expected to like them as much as I have, or to see them continually get the most headtime. The 650s have their own character, they don't fit perfectly into the upgrade path.
You were right. Thanks. Just played the album on MOG. Great vocals.

I agree. I tossed and turned over these because they seemed the exact opposite to my tastes, but they sound so good and are so easy to listen to that I'd never go back. (Using NFB-5.2 with Crack amp)
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Originally Posted by Nirvana Woman View Post

 

Keep in mind when people talk about that so called veil, it's about the HD650's sound signature. It's not a description of some kind of technical defficiency.

 

It's just the way the HD650's may sound when you're used to different headphones. If a person has spent ten years of their lives listening to Grados, chances are pretty big they're not going to trust getting used to the HD650's sound if the difference is initially experienced as jarring and when they could get a Grado of the HD650's priceclass instead. That's just how humans typically tend to work.

 

I myself was only used to the 598's for a couple of years, and that was pretty much all my experience with high end cans. Admittedly, when I first got the 650's, I too noticed how the 650's seemed to almost be muffled and dark sounding compared to the 598's. But as you get used to the headphones, you start understanding how it presents music (and why). That understanding makes it so that I can now listen to the 598's for hours, but if I switch back to the HD650, there's no impression of a veil or dark sound at all anymore. It just doesn't occur to me and I think it has mainly to do with the unconscious process of understanding the approach of the headphones.

 

I guess much of the complaints about the HD650 being veiled stem from listeners being used to largly or totally polar opposites of the 650's sound signature.

 

Yeah, I figure now that the whole veil and muffle thing may just be a misconception of perception. I think I will probably have this especially pre burn in because I am coming from an AD700 and an M50 but the prospect of this gorgeous sound that I hear about is enough for me to just push through and make the purchase! This is what I believe I want in a headphone, a beautiful natural interpretation of music, not a neutral flat experience and definitely nothing that "aggressive". Though I'm sure if you throw the right music at them, they'll do fine. I think people sometimes understimate certain headphones. I mean these are pretty high end cans, they won't be perfect with everything, especially if your equipment isn't awesome but they will be at least good with everything. It's just I guess you expect a lot more than good for this price range and that's fine. But once again, no can is perfect for everything *shrug*.

 

Bottom line, I anticipate being happy and the only thing I worry about is the Maverick tbqh.

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

 

I think there is a lot truth here. Whenever someone describes something as dark, bright, bassy ect...they don't usually in comparison to a perfect flat or neutral hp. Typically it's based on other headphones that they've owned. 

 

I think that too. I like to refer to it as one's "personal neutral". When you don't have much experience or a wide variety of cans, your neutral in your mind is whatever you are used to listening to. Anything different than that will give you a somewhat more extreme view of the can and will make things seem worse than they are or something. I believe in giving a headphone time to sink in to you. At least three weeks to see how you adjust and feel about it with your setup.

 

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Originally Posted by Thanasis View Post

Hi guys. Just got it !!!!

 

I have written a review about it ..... Here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/640475/i-got-my-hd650-my-impressions-the-veil-demystified

 

 

Take care

 

 

Thank you! I will read it soon :)

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