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Originally Posted by wazzupi View Post

I don't find the volume very high with my o2 amp+ipod touch 4th gen unless I use gain what does the lod give you over headphone jack ? 


Seriously? I get more than enough volume from ANY source. I'm not even a very low volume listener. I know it's at least 75-80db from just my Ipod 3G (monochrome).

I think this whole LOD cable thing being like 1000x better than a headphone jack to amp is a bit of nonsense. Apparently it's supposed to give a cleaner sound, but this is rarely detectable to my ears with 95% of my headphones.

I do think the Sansa Fuze's Line out is horrible and much worse than the headphone out. Not sure why or how.

 

With my HD-650 though, the sound is much clearer with Ipods when I use the LOD method. I guess the HD-650 is picky and doesn't like the "double amping" method since the LOD is bypassing the internal amp of the player (but not the DAC of course). Actually I haven't compared the two methods (LOD vs headphone jack) with the hD-650 a whole lot. No point really for me since the L11 is really cheap and lets me charge it while using the line out.

 

BTW it's interesting to find that the rip-off Apple Dock (the big one) has a DAC inside it. Wonder why? I wanted to get another one for my Ipod Touch, but they're like $99 for the whole kit! Sorry, but that's a bit overkill. I'm probably just a cheapskate.

 

A docked Ipod Touch to an amp is pretty nice to have in another room when you don't want to haul around your main setup..

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Sorry, I had to leave for a day.

 

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Originally Posted by Nirvana Woman View Post

 

If I asked you: what do you prefer for speed metal, a somewhat darker, warmer sounding headphone or a more aggressive, forward and brighter sounding headphone; what would your answer be?

 

If I am any judge on people, you'd probably tell me you wouldn't know and that you first needed to hear how it actually sounded.

 

If you however feel confident that you can answer that question right away, then you have your answer right there :).


I don't listen to speed metal lol, I was just using it as an example of music that is face paced and more oriented towards having good transient response and being able to give it a natural sound. Really, I can't actually judge with listening just like you said darthsmile.gif, I'm just curious about it's versatility.

 

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Originally Posted by Nirvana Woman View Post

Personally I don't care what genre it is, I just like how the 650's sound period. I like how I can always fall back on its sound signature, which to me is absolutely stunning. No matter the music, the highs will basically never be fatiguing, the mids will always be rich and the bass will always be appreciably prominent. I don't really believe they're "not fast enough" for certain genres. My experience with these headphones is that stuff that is meant to sound fast will sound fast, nothing more.

Finding out the truth for yourself will be the ultimate service you can do for yourself. I've heard people call the HD650's bright, dark, bass-light, bass-heavy, with rolled off treble, with too strong treble with certain tubes on their tube amp, with a nice 3d sound stage, with a lacking soundstage, warm, analytical, muddy, detailed...

 

You get the picture.

 

Hm, this is pretty much what I want. This whole concept of rich mids is kind of funny to me. Like, I have a can that apparently has recessed mids and I can understand, hear, and evaluate highs and lows but mids has always been a foreign concept to me lol. And that's apparently where most of the music is too! Hmmm, I guess I'll get the idea when I hear a contrast to the cans I have.

 

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Originally Posted by dxanex View Post

^ x2 and I also I agree with Nirvana Woman, descriptions of the HD650 are all over the map sometimes, but it just shows you how much the sound can change on them from set-up to set-up. I've literally read people say they are they are the best headphones they've ever owned to people saying they are the most boring sounding headphones they've ever heard! But one thing is for sure, they respond well to scaling up and just seem to get better and better as you go up the source and amp chain. (Did I mention they sound AWESOME on a good tube amp?)

 

That is a very good thing for me. I want a headphone that scales well and that I'll be comfortable with wanting to upgrade my system or take places and demo other peoples rigs with. I just hope they'll be good with the D1. I've demoed them for a tiny bit some months ago and I know at least that it had no problems at all driving them but the actual sound is something I didn't get a chance to evaluate much.

 

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Originally Posted by doctorjazz View Post

I recently got my 650's, driving them with HiSound Studio V Anniversary, definitely not as high end a source as some of the amp/dac's I read about here (lusting after a Lyr...), but does drive them with no problem. I've been in a Power Pop phase/obscession recently (probably older than most posting-listening to Fountains of Wayne and Aimee Mann almost all the time, take a Wilco or a jazz break here and there), and, while there is certainy much happening in the mids, The music doesn't work if it doesn't have drive (especially FOW). Not only don't I find them slow, I find the need to dance when playing the music through them, not something that happens with many headphones. I also don't find the highs a problem (the JVC HFX500 have more energy, sometimes sibilance/harshness), and the resolving power, bass, rhythm, beautiful midrange (audiophile magazines always say 'most music residdes in the midrange') make these a keeper.

 

Hm, thanks for your evaluation. Harshness is something I know I can't take and if the HD650 keeps it smooth and warm while still keeping the life to the music, I would love that.

 

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Originally Posted by worldtipper View Post

So, I'm currently in the honeymoon period with my 650s. I've had them for 5 days now and man, I've found the end game headphone until I'm willing to spend an equal amount on headphone gear as I did on my car. Going from 880/600's sure, the sound stage is smaller, highs are quite as sparkly, not as neutral etc but what really sets the 650s apart is how real the instruments sound. Maybe this is what's meant by the term detail? Instruments and drums have force to them and sound as though they are being played in my ear. The vocals/mids are present but never seem loud or harsh, it's a weird thing actually but freaking lovely. I'm glad I finally gave them a shot, the "veil" was my biggest concern but I really have no idea what all the fuss is about...theres plenty there to the highs, but enough missing so that they don't fatigue the the heck out of you.
Sincerely,
Another happy 650 owner.

 

Yeah, the "veil" people always say really is the one thing that's been holding me back. It's just now the more I hear people talk about it, the more the headphone doesn't seem veiled, just not aggressive and more natural and musical.

 

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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

 

 

^ Gotta second that regarding the instruments and vocals on the HD-650. Been making the rounds with my music collection, and finally got around to listening to some rock tracks with the HD-650, and... yea, the guitars and vocals pop out immediately (not in a bad or obnoxious way). It's almost as if I can literally feel the texture of some of the guitar sounds. Really, really pleasing to ear. In fact, I'd say rock is the -best- genre for the HD-650, at least so far, from what I've listened to (over hip-hop, electronic, or pop).

 

Of course, this is different than me saying that the HD-650 is the best for rock in general, and that is NOT what I'm saying (since I obviously haven't listened to all headphones in existence). What I'm saying is, among all the genres that I've personally listened to, rock sounds the best on the HD-650.

 

Some rock tracks I listened to were from: the Beatles, the Verve, Richard Ashcroft, Doves, and Beck.

 

 

 

And also... I have to say, despite all the noise/distortion issues I've had (read: me using the crappy motherboard onboard audio), which I wrote about a few pages back, I'm still really, really pleased with the HD-650.

 

Yes, they aren't quite as "obvious" or forward as the the Grado RS-1 and/or Sony MDR-CD3000 I've had nearly 10 years ago, but I do remember experiencing fatigue with the Sony CD3000 (the treble was pretty bright), and I don't ever remember wanting to really sit down, sit back, and listen to music for long periods of time with the RS-1's (although, I have to admit the RS-1's at times, were quite exciting and fun).

 

It just seems to me, the HD-650 was meant and intended for long listening sessions. You can either just jam out to them, or do really low-level listening sessions, while still keeping things enjoyable.

 

Which brings me to another point... it just seems like Sennheiser built these having in mind that these would actually be used as, well, headphones, rather than just simply attaching mini-speakers on a headband (read: Grado headphones). The HD-650 sound signature that gets along with almost all genres, and its "laidback" presentation, all tells me that everything Sennheiser did was intentional, for the sake of comfortable, yet enjoyable headphone use, over long periods of time. It just makes me appreciate the headphones a little more.

 

Yeah, I appreciate the aggression of Grado but it just doesn't fit with me sometimes. I have a lot of music that isn't very aggressive type of stuff. It's not extremely slow either, It's somewhere in the middle and I think this warm treatment I keep hearing about is what I want.

 

 

 

 

I think I'm 90% sold on these. I want to read one more review my friend wrote between this and the 600 but I don't think it will matter. The more I hear of it, this is just what I want from music. An immersive, emotive twist on sound while still maintaining great sense of detail and overall fidelity.

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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

 

I'd suggest at least trying them with a LOD cable (if you use portable devices) and portable amp. The Headroom Total Airhead can drive them with ease. That's only $49 if it's still on sale.

Right now i'm loving the HD-650 with the Airhead from a Ipod Touch 2G with the Fiio L11 LOD connector. This setup is finally complete after trying every portable player I could find..

 

I know this will hurt the Ipod Video 5.5 fanboy's feelings, but I think the Ipod Touch 2G sounds better with the HD-650. The 5.5 (and Clip+) are too warm for the HD-650. At least for my preferences.

I wonder what makes the Ipod 5.5 sound too warm? I guess it doesn't measure flat. I'd like to try the Ipod Classic 7G sometime. I had an earlier 160gb version previously. Got the Ipod Touch 2G as a gift when the 3G came out.

 

BTW I've found the HD-650 to sound good, but not great from portable devices with no (external) amp.

Hmm... well I don't use it with any portable device. Mostly with my laptop which has a realtek alc275 card (not sure how good it is). 

 

And to those saying, just hold on to it... If i sell it i'd likely buy something else like a mirror-less camera with the money.

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Cash is king....You have to make your own call on this....

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Yep, after some final research, I am sure the HD650 is my next choice.

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I have lurked on Head-Fi for a while now and just made an account today.  I wanted my first post to be about my Sennheiser HD650's.  I bought these headphones a little while back in part due to research I had performed on this site and an incredible price on Amazon via a daily Quick Pick special.  I was apprehensive about spending so much on headphones but have to say that I am extremely pleased with my purchase. 

 

First, they are, BY FAR, the most comfortable headphones that I have ever used for any extended period of time (I also own the Audio-Technica AT-M50S, Bowers & Wilkins P5, Philips Citiscape Downtown, Koss PortaPro, and Klipsch S4).  They are so light that I can almost forget I'm wearing headphones and don't make my ears warm/sweat at all.  Also, I can wear glasses with these and not experience any pressure on the temples (arm piece of glasses) against the sides of my head. That alone is huge for me.  Yet, the clamping force is more than sufficient to hold the headphones in place while I move my head.  I never feel like they are about to fall off if I tilt my head down. 

 

I won't pretend that I am any kind of expert on sound, but these headphones sound incredible to me.   I can easily distinguish the different instruments/vocals in music.  Sound is clear.  There is plenty of bass for me and high frequencies are never too sharp.  And, I actually have thought to myself, "I don't remember hearing that in this song before" while listening to these cans.      

 

The only thing I don't like about these cans is the length of the cable.  It's about 10 feet or so.  For my needs, it is ridiculously long.  But, that has very little effect on my enjoyment of these headphones. 

 

For reference, I run FLAC files and Rhapsody subscription tracks through an Asus DG sound card optical port to Schiit Bifrost to Schiit Asgard to Sennheiser HD650. 

 

This could definitely be my end game set up (. . .although I have to admit I am quite curious about the Hifiman HE-400 and HE-500.  I've never had a chance to try either pair). 

 

Lastly, just wanted to say thanks to all who posted information the HD650's that helped me learn about them. 
 

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Originally Posted by Whitetriton View Post

I have lurked on Head-Fi for a while now and just made an account today.  I wanted my first post to be about my Sennheiser HD650's.  I bought these headphones a little while back in part due to research I had performed on this site and an incredible price on Amazon via a daily Quick Pick special.  I was apprehensive about spending so much on headphones but have to say that I am extremely pleased with my purchase. 

 

First, they are, BY FAR, the most comfortable headphones that I have ever used for any extended period of time (I also own the Audio-Technica AT-M50S, Bowers & Wilkins P5, Philips Citiscape Downtown, Koss PortaPro, and Klipsch S4).  They are so light that I can almost forget I'm wearing headphones and don't make my ears warm/sweat at all.  Also, I can wear glasses with these and not experience any pressure on the temples (arm piece of glasses) against the sides of my head. That alone is huge for me.  Yet, the clamping force is more than sufficient to hold the headphones in place while I move my head.  I never feel like they are about to fall off if I tilt my head down. 

 

I won't pretend that I am any kind of expert on sound, but these headphones sound incredible to me.   I can easily distinguish the different instruments/vocals in music.  Sound is clear.  There is plenty of bass for me and high frequencies are never too sharp.  And, I actually have thought to myself, "I don't remember hearing that in this song before" while listening to these cans.      

 

The only thing I don't like about these cans is the length of the cable.  It's about 10 feet or so.  For my needs, it is ridiculously long.  But, that has very little effect on my enjoyment of these headphones. 

 

For reference, I run FLAC files and Rhapsody subscription tracks through an Asus DG sound card optical port to Schiit Bifrost to Schiit Asgard to Sennheiser HD650. 

 

This could definitely be my end game set up (. . .although I have to admit I am quite curious about the Hifiman HE-400 and HE-500.  I've never had a chance to try either pair). 

 

Lastly, just wanted to say thanks to all who posted information the HD650's that helped me learn about them. 
 

 

Nice. Glad to hear they're working out for you. beyersmile.png

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Originally Posted by Whitetriton View Post

[...]

I won't pretend that I am any kind of expert on sound, but these headphones sound incredible to me.

[...]

 

Then you are an expert.

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Just thought I'd post in here since I just got some hd650's the other day, and I have to say so far I am loving them. I was a bit disappointed out of the box, but they're definitely starting to open up. Part of it may be that I've got a fiio e7 as DAC and e9 as amp, but I think it's sufficient for now. Can't see myself spending 400 dollars on an amp when I could buy some nice new headphones with that (or 200 for cables for that matter).

 

Anyway I just wanted to say that I really like the sound signature! It may have a tendency to be a bit "boring" (not sure that's the right word) with some genres, but the thing that I absolutely love is I can listen to these for HOURS and HOURS without getting fatigued. Even rock music. I'm usually pretty sensitive to fatigue from headphones, so these very comfortable, very non-fatiguing headphones seem to fit me perfectly. And the mids are just gorgeous. Hoping the bass opens up a bit more with burn in. But I'm very glad I went with these over the he400's, comfort is a big issue for me.

 

Just thought I'd chime in and say I'm definitely enjoying them so far, and am looking for to some minor improvements as they burn in. Even my girlfriend, who is nothing close to an audiophile, could appreciate the soundstaging and detail and said like she felt she was there. I'll take it! Although I'm pretty sure she doesn't understand they money I spend on it lol. It's worth it to me!


Edited by gregr507 - 12/9/12 at 7:41pm
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Congrats!...... beyersmile.png
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Thanks man :) man this is addictive, I'm already wondering how much more I'd get of a lyr rather than the e9. Unfortunately my budget won't allow a more expensive amp right now

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I think I could sell off every headphone I have now and keep the DJ100 and HD-650 and be perfectly happy with my setup.

Actually I'd keep the Q701 around, but lately it hasn't gotten much use. I even use the HD-650 for gaming.

 

Sometime i'll try an even better amp under $500, but I want to keep it as uncolored as possible. I'm a bit worried the Lyr will make it sound too warm. I definitely don't want that and some people prefer that I guess.

I imagine the Lyr isn't one of those dead neutral amps despite possibly measuring flat. I guess a nice bonus on an amp upgrade would be a slightly larger soundstage. Of course that also can come with some negatives.

I'm not going to bother with upgrading my ODAC since I don't want to spend over $500 on a new DAC I don't need. BTW I do have to wonder what exactly the Lyr does or changes that make so many people love it.

Usually when people love a specific amp here, it seems fairly colored and only good with specific headphones confused_face.gif I had to deal with that before and don't want to make that mistake again.

 

At the moment I just need to figure out how to get lossless audio using my DAC to my TV (screen) somehow. I don't want to buy an AppleTV and any of that other nonsense. Heard you can get bit perfect audio that way, but requires the Airport I believe.

Sometimes I get tired of sitting at my computer and using my laptop for audio. I think maybe I can convert my worthless Mac Mini PPC to just audio use on my TV. The thing is so old you can't even browse the web with flash enabled! Too slow!

Too bad there's no Foobar for Mac OS. The only thing I found is a PPC port of Songbird which is kind of annoying. I guess there's always WAV support on the Xbox 360, but no optical input on the ODAC, so there went that idea.

 

Sorry, a bit off topic..

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I"ve been an owner of HD 650 for few years now and I also bought HD 555 for my sister. Last year I remember comparing the two side by side (amped with Lehmann BCL) and I could not tell the difference in sound quality between the two. Are the two headphones similar or do I have a fake pair of HD 650? I want to also add that I have to put the volume knob higher for the HD 650 so I thought maybe I can't tell the difference but they both sound very close to my ears. I also had my cousin try both and he also felt they sounded the same.

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Originally Posted by serious7 View Post

I"ve been an owner of HD 650 for few years now and I also bought HD 555 for my sister. Last year I remember comparing the two side by side (amped with Lehmann BCL) and I could not tell the difference in sound quality between the two. Are the two headphones similar or do I have a fake pair of HD 650? I want to also add that I have to put the volume knob higher for the HD 650 so I thought maybe I can't tell the difference but they both sound very close to my ears. I also had my cousin try both and he also felt they sounded the same.


What was your source material -> DAC->Amp?

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Now that I'm going to get these, I wonder how they sound with stuff like prince....

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