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post #931 of 36851
HD650 compared to the K701.

Firstly one assesses comfort and build quality. AKG > Sennheiser. That vice grip Sennheiser headband isn't as bad as people make it out to be but it makes it harder to put on and off compared to the flexible AKG leather headband. It isn't really a negative per say but something to keep in mind [or you'll get paint flaking and maybe breakage later on]. I do find the grip to be a lot more than the AKGs but it's actually a nice secure feeling. Heck you can actually headbang softly without them moving. All I have to do is look down and the K701s move a cm or so. Maybe it's because I have a smaller head than most [thank you Asian genes]. If you didn't know, the AKGs do not have any notches for the band adjustments - it's a neat pulley based design meaning you can easily adjust it around your head. The pads are much harder on the K701 but because they are almost twice the size of the HD650s, it doesn't matter. The sloping surface evenly disperses the pressure and you forget they are there. The Sennheisers on the other hand are tighter, allow less air to circulate and totally mess up your hair.

The HD650 silver filter version isn't as bass crazy as what the first version appears to be. I find it has more impact than the K701. I'd say the depth/extension is around the same but with the K701s it just isn't as hard hitting [impact]. Overall, the entire lower spectrum has more presence in the music than with the K701s. It's definitely nicer with my trance and hardstyle collection. I think the mid bass is about the same. However, the lower bass just isn’t as forward on the K701s relative to the HD650s. Is it fair to say that the HD650 has oodles more bass than the K701? No. Maybe that was true with the original version but it is not with the one I have.

Soundstage. Hmm where did it go? I definitely like the crazy soundstage the K701 has. The HD650 on the other hand is as wide, if not wider but it definitely is not as deep. So the K701 is better in this regard. I listened to Across the Black by Insomnium to assess instrument separation. Well wow, the differences between the cans are quite evident. What people say about the K701 being a detailed phone is not a tall tale. It has better instrument separation although it can go pear shaped at times with a guitarist sometimes appearing to be behind the drummer or in some recordings the vocalist is behind the band! The variance indicated that it is not the phone but the recording that is responsible for this. The Sennheisers on the other hand did not give much, if any, perception of depth, especially when compared to the K701. Is this a negative? Well it would be if you are into listening to a full orchestra and want as close to a realistic sound reproduction as possible with headphones. Still, it makes more sense to step up to stats or go with proper speakers for top notch soundstage. Yes the AKGs are better by a good margin but it’s not a big deal to me.

What about the infamous veil? There is none as far as I’m concerned. I honestly think it’s an amping issue but I can’t say for sure because I don’t have the stock cable, it has been defoamed and it also has close to 200 hours on it [just for burn in believers – not me]. Going from the K701 to the HD650 sounds like there is a slight veil but I think that this isn’t a veil as such, instead is the difference in detail. There is a solution for this – remove the foam protector from the ear cup – it is amazing how much better they sound.

Leakage. The K701 is known to ‘leak like a sleave’. Well the HD650s leak a whole lot more. Funny how no one seems to mention that.

Canamp? While the K701 goes well the Canamp, the HD650 can work with it - can being the operative word. As I only have 2 amps, I cannot rule if the Canamp is a good match or not but I feel that the HD650 sounds a fraction slower, relative to my other amp.

Finally, going from one to the other is slightly weird, especially when you are comparing a short piece of music. The K701 always sounds like crap for the first 15 seconds. You are always asking, "Where did the bass go?"

The million dollar question is which is the better phone? It is not so clear cut as that. I’m inclined to say the K701 because I love the soundstage it has and I don't find the bass to be too lean.

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I do enjoy these phones. It will take me a week or so to fully understand their sonic signature but the above is my impressions after 3 hours with them. I've had the K701 for ~2 months
post #932 of 36851
I forgot to mention that you can adjust the HD650's so they don't choke your head.
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/hd6...ctured-438898/

UPOCC silver cables will rid the HD650 of the infamous veil. The stock cables just don't cut it.
post #933 of 36851
Ah yes, however I don't find the super uncomfortable. It's like a nice fitting glove.
post #934 of 36851
I really like the hd650's. They just feel like a true upgrade over my hd600's (silver drivers) I've read alot of posts talking about how the hd600's are the better headphone and the 650's are veiled, if you ask me it's the other way around.
post #935 of 36851
It's utterly hilarious that we can't all come to a conclusion on the 600 v 650. I'll have to try one out too.
post #936 of 36851
I've read about all the arguments about 580 Jubilee/600 vs. 650 vs. K701 and all without a definite outcome. LOL
post #937 of 36851
Just buy them all. Mwwhahaha
post #938 of 36851
haha Maybe eventually, but I need a new amp.
post #939 of 36851
Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO View Post
The million dollar question is which is the better phone? It is not so clear cut as that. I’m inclined to say the K701 because I love the soundstage it has and I don't find the bass to be too lean.
Am I the only one who detects a metallic colouration in the 701/2? I listen to classical, and on the 702 the strings were very harsh, metallic sounding, like the echo of a struck anvil. I certainly couldn't live with the 702 (I have the 650), yet I've never seen this mentioned in all the 701/2 threads.
post #940 of 36851
You can say that the HD650 is warmer and more musical and therefore more suited for classical, although not as accurate.
post #941 of 36851
No, it's not a question of balance. The 702 had a distinctly metallic colouration such as I couldn't live with. Very obvious to my ears
post #942 of 36851
I'm not sure how there can even be a close call between the 701 and 650, the 701 makes my ears wince, however the 650 are beginning to snd a little dark after all these yrs.

I agree we all hear things a little differently and have our preference just like music tastes. The biggest variable is that we listen to the cans w/ various systems, cables, etc. Sound is very subjective on the subtle levels. It takes time to educate your ears. After 15 yrs of professional snd wk I'm still learning.

The tubes on my hdph amp really make a difference as to how well the 650's find their synergy with the whole system. To my ears heavy rock doesn't sound as well w/ Senns v the Grados - which have a lot more thump but lack the wider staging. The lushness of the 650's comes out more in acoustic, jazz, or ambient type music.

Perhaps the 600's are more neutral in certain systems and w/ particular music, but that's my opinion. Plus, I haven't heard what the newer silver editions offer. If only we could all afford the great audiophile stuff, but we do the best within our means.
post #943 of 36851
I honestly think they aren't as different as most people make them out to be. I see people complain about the highs on the K701. I'm fairly sure my short run of concerts and clubs without ear protection has destroyed my high frequency hearing. Could that be it? Who knows.

As for the metallic colouration, I think most people find the K701s to have no colouration. That does not mean you're wrong or your ears are borked. It could be your system or maybe you just don't like their sound. I'm not fond of the 'Senn' sound created by the foam in the ear pad. It sounds nice for jazz. . . . sucks for anything else. Obviously I don't like the 'Senn' sound I guess.

Anyways, it's all subjective and that's why we are here anyways. I like to read how people hear stuff I like. It's always shocking when they say it's crap.

[If you go through this thread, there are some people who have had both and of these a few say they are similar while most say they are very different.]
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Originally Posted by Boom Shaka Laka View Post
After 15 yrs of professional snd wk I'm still learning.
I have 0 years in the professional sound industry and obviously don't have trained ears. Still, I like the exaggerated highs for some genres. I've concluded I'm whacked.
post #944 of 36851
Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO View Post
As for the metallic colouration, I think most people find the K701s to have no colouration. That does not mean you're wrong or your ears are borked. It could be your system or maybe you just don't like their sound. I'm not fond of the 'Senn' sound created by the foam in the ear pad. It sounds nice for jazz. . . . sucks for anything else. Obviously I don't like the 'Senn' sound I guess.
Or it could be that the colouration only shows up on acoustic/orchestral music and most people here don't listen to that. I see people list "classical" along with metal and rap but it's been my experience that when many people do that they mean "classic" rock, not Shostakovich and Vaughan Williams. Massed strings are devils for showing up any harshness in a system, and the 702 to my ears was mucho harsh, whereas the 650, whatever else its faults (and I agree it's too dark) is as benign as a phone can be without losing credibility (except perhaps for the 595, which is even more benign). Personally I have to start from that point: if a phone isn't kind to the music I'm not interested.

I've been trying out a Denon D2000 this week. It too will be going after Xmas. It doesn't have the 702's metallic colouration, in fact it's quite uncoloured, but it's waaaay too bright. I found the same thing with the AT AD900 and Beyer 880 Pro--too bright! Just my ears, I guess, but I have to go with my memory of a live orchestra in a good concert hall, and whatever else their virtues, those phones don't match that memory in any way.

Obviously I'm just a Sennheiser man.
post #945 of 36851
Well I agree with some other fella that the K701 does not sound as nice with horns. In fact it makes me wince. Not sure what real horns sound like so I can't comment [whereas it sounds like you can] but I definitely prefer the Senns. I also like your view on the phone's role - some say they want a transparent phone while others [like yourself] want something that is nice to the music. It makes more sense to be in the latter group unless you need transparent phones for studio use etc.

Interesting views on the AD900 and DT880. It's good to get different opinions!
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