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post #9271 of 18501
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I would have offer another opinion here. I owned the he500 and now own the hd650. They have a different presentation so it depends on what you are after. The he500 have some of the best mids in it's price range, but actually I prefer the mids of the 650. The he500 is technically better but I found myself reaching for the 650 time and time again until I sold the he500.

 

Please understand that the he500 is a great hp. I really do love the planar sound. But if I were going for an open planar, I'd pick the he400 as it adds better bass response and is very close to the he500. The other issue with the he500 is the weight. It's heavy...at least for me. The 650 is about a third of the weight and infinitely more comfortable. 

 

I agree. 

 

When people first change to the HE500 it sounds superior. I know mine did. But after 2 months of usage I came back to the HD650. HD650 has (in my opinion) just unbelievable mids. HE500 actually loses there. HE500 has slightly better bass and definitely better treble...but HD650 is where it's at.

 

Once you've listened to the HE500 for a couple of months and come back to the HD650...you'll notice it. HD650 is better than the Beyerdynamic T1 and HE500 to my ears. Still gonna try out the HD800 though...

post #9272 of 18501

The HD650 is just so comfortable - and I mean that both physically and sonically.  Looking to try out the LCD-2 to see how it compares.  

post #9273 of 18501
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Originally Posted by TLC View Post

The HD650 is just so comfortable - and I mean that both physically and sonically.  Looking to try out the LCD-2 to see how it compares.  


I'm probably in the minority here, and maybe I wasn't in the right environment/mind set, but I was absolutely underwhelmed when I listened to the LCD-2..

post #9274 of 18501
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Originally Posted by cdahdude View Post

what best amp+dac can I get for roughly ~$300?


I had a similar budget and went for the Fiio e17+e09k combo.  It's nice if you also want to have a good portable amp (e17) for other cans.

post #9275 of 18501
The only way to properly compare headphones is to A/B them out of the same amp with the same source. I've spent a good amount of time comparing both and the LCD2.2 is noticeably better. By better, I mean bass and treble extension, ability to accurately reproduce timbre, and more detail and dynamics. None of that takes anything away from the HD650. If I'm not A/B-ing and just listening to the HD650 for a while--I don't feel I'm missing anything.
post #9276 of 18501

After years of a/b ing hp's, I now take an opposite approach. I listen to headphone A for at least one week, listening to all my reference material that I've used forever. Then after I've formulated my opinion and mentally graded that hp, I put on headphone B and go through the same process.

 

And yes, I do realize that this may not be the best way to compare headphones but I swear that it works best for me!!

post #9277 of 18501
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Originally Posted by Barry S View Post

The only way to properly compare headphones is to A/B them out of the same amp with the same source. I've spent a good amount of time comparing both and the LCD2.2 is noticeably better. By better, I mean bass and treble extension, ability to accurately reproduce timbre, and more detail and dynamics. None of that takes anything away from the HD650. If I'm not A/B-ing and just listening to the HD650 for a while--I don't feel I'm missing anything.

 

Take a look at this about A/B testing:

 

A or B?


In our ongoing series of the Art of Listening it makes sense to touch on ABX testing, a subject that has caused no end of confusion and mistrust over the years.  The affair became public back in the early 1980′s by a fellow named Dave Clark, among others.  My memory of the tests and furor it caused is only from my vantage point of thinking it was originally an honest attempt at trying to add some science to the art of listening but soon degraded into a finger pointing match.

The basic idea is to have three choices of what one listens to: A, B and X, where X is either A or B chosen at random.  These were called double blind listening tests because neither the listener nor the tester knew what X was.  The problem of ABX testing turns up really quickly when tastes, emotions and testing pressure enter into the fray: people lose the ability to get in touch with their emotional senses and are forced to rely on their analytical sides.  On the other hand, it’s equally easy to convince yourself you’re actually hearing something you’re not.

The issue would benefit from good testing but ABX is only a one sided process and as such doesn’t get to the truth.  ABX is an analytically based test trying to determine the validity of emotional responses – a rather absurd way of going about it IMHO.  Imagine trying the Coke vs. Pepsi challenge using ABX testing, standing in a supermarket with people examining your every response.  By the time you try three samples you’ve already disconnected from your emotional brain and switched on the analytical side – which won’t tell the testers what they want to know unless…….

Unless what they want to prove is that there is no “real” difference.  You’ve probably seen the taste tests between a house brand and a name brand product?  The goal is to prove you cannot tell the difference – like diet Coke vs. sugar Coke.  I can spot the difference between the two instantly in my own space – put me under pressure in front of a tester and my level of acuity drops well below the threshold of value quickly.

What happened back then is a shame.  The one camp believing that if you cannot measure something it does not exist vs. those that believe everything they hear must be true.  The truth is somewhere in the middle (as always) and we as a music loving community and they as an analytical community lost out on what could have been some real discovery and furthering of our knowledge.

Before long the ABX results “proving” the differences between CD’s and vinyl, solid state and tubes, high end product vs. Japanese receivers were non-existent and that threw gasoline on the fires of the measurement camp’s claim of voodoo.  Despite massive evidence to the contrary, this sealed the deal and those folks moved on as did we.

You can see this same senseless approach today in the climate change debates.

post #9278 of 18501
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

... but I swear that it works best for me!!
^^^^^^
Reading your comments, I'd have to agree with that!

It's more about how the human brain works. When we compare anything directly side by side, we're able to distinguish amazingly small differences. Differences so small and subtle, they may not be able to be measured. In many ways, a human is the ultimate measuring instrument.

It becomes sort of a philosophical question. If I think there are other headphones better than mine; I'll always prefer something else in a close direct comparison. Why should I color my enjoyment of what I have by an "unnatural" way of listening? When we use our gear, A/B-ing isn't the way we listen, so why should it matter? I guess it only matters as much as you want it to. Your approach may be a lot saner.
post #9279 of 18501
@preproman

Good points. It comes down to--what are you trying to measure? I'm a clinical trialist and we measure a lot of things in a study, but it usually comes down to whether a treatment is meaningfully better than another treatment or placebo. If I were to design a headphone trial, I could imagine measuring a lot of different things. Let's imagine that the primary measure was a survey on how much you enjoy your headphones--that seems pretty reasonable. My guess is you might ultimately find no difference between Apple earbuds and Stax electrostats. You could certainly measure a bunch of differences between them, but you could call them equivalent by your most important measure.
Edited by Barry S - 12/7/12 at 5:55am
post #9280 of 18501

Well I guess now that I've run into some money, I might actually consider buying an HD650. RIght now it's between this the HD600 and the DT880 250ohm(my Maverick D1 seems to of had trouble with 600ohm cans in the past). I just can't really decide which to go for. Since this is gonna be my next main headphone I need it to be versatile to an extent seeing as I have an extremely wide range of tastes but at the same time I really want a headphone that while isn't extremely colored, has a real sense of musicality and an emotive sound to it...I just dunno where to go -_-

post #9281 of 18501

You are pretty much describing a 650

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Originally Posted by B-Dawk20 View Post

Well I guess now that I've run into some money, I might actually consider buying an HD650. RIght now it's between this the HD600 and the DT880 250ohm(my Maverick D1 seems to of had trouble with 600ohm cans in the past). I just can't really decide which to go for. Since this is gonna be my next main headphone I need it to be versatile to an extent seeing as I have an extremely wide range of tastes but at the same time I really want a headphone that while isn't extremely colored, has a real sense of musicality and an emotive sound to it...I just dunno where to go -_-

post #9282 of 18501
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Originally Posted by B-Dawk20 View Post

Well I guess now that I've run into some money, I might actually consider buying an HD650. RIght now it's between this the HD600 and the DT880 250ohm(my Maverick D1 seems to of had trouble with 600ohm cans in the past). I just can't really decide which to go for. Since this is gonna be my next main headphone I need it to be versatile to an extent seeing as I have an extremely wide range of tastes but at the same time I really want a headphone that while isn't extremely colored, has a real sense of musicality and an emotive sound to it...I just dunno where to go -_-

 

^^ you want the hd650...trust me. very_evil_smiley.gif

post #9283 of 18501
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

^^ you want the hd650...trust me. very_evil_smiley.gif
yep i third that
post #9284 of 18501
+4 !
post #9285 of 18501
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Originally Posted by B-Dawk20 View Post
 I really want a headphone that while isn't extremely colored, has a real sense of musicality and an emotive sound to it...I just dunno where to go -_-

 

Well, here you are in the HD650 appreciation thread...for good reason...No need to even repeat what everyone else knows rolleyes.gif

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