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How are tube amps for electronic/electronic pop music? 

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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

How are tube amps for electronic/electronic pop music? 


the amp isn't going to change the music as much as the headphones being used will. And the amp is going to drive the headphones differently than others. Some people claim that a tube amp will give a "warmer" sound signature. After spending a lot of time with my tube amp, however, I would say that's not necessarily the case. Something to keep in mind.

 

Edit: but I primarily listen to electronic myself, and for what it's worth, I'm in no rush to go back to using a solid state amp at all...


Edited by dxanex - 12/1/12 at 4:04pm
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I've had the Ultrasone Pro 900s (one of the most bass heavy audiophile headphones available - I listen to a lot of bass driven music) as my main full-size HP for the past few months and I've been surprised by the bass quantity the HD650 puts out considering that they're open. I have noticed a missing sub-bass line here and there (completely absent, while easily picked up with the 900s), but the mids more than make up for it with certain genres. I still plan to use the 900s for my highly bass dependent/sub-bass stuff, but the HD650's will likely be my new all-arounder. Glad I decided to pick them up before the deal was over.

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So just how much was "the deal?" blink.gif

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Originally Posted by dxanex View Post


the amp isn't going to change the music as much as the headphones being used will. And the amp is going to drive the headphones differently than others. Some people claim that a tube amp will give a "warmer" sound signature. After spending a lot of time with my tube amp, however, I would say that's not necessarily the case. Something to keep in mind.

 

Edit: but I primarily listen to electronic myself, and for what it's worth, I'm in no rush to go back to using a solid state amp at all...

 

Nice... thanks for letting me know! Now tube amps will definitely be in consideration next time when I want to upgrade an amp. 

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Edit: Whoops. Double post. 
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So just how much was "the deal?" blink.gif

The Senny coupon. The $340 + free $50 gift card deal. Lasted half a day.
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^ That's how I got this pair, these arrived last night:

 

Like it was with the HD600 a few years ago, I have finally found the love for the HD650 with my third attempt. I may have had old-style drivers in the first two pairs, I'm not sure but it also feels like I am feeding them very well now. I am hooking these brand new cans up to a comparatively vintage system, an original Music Fidelity XCANS hybrid amp/PSU fed by a Bel Canto DAC2. This setup was actually a bit too dynamic, on the edgy side with the HD600 but seems tailor-made for the 650.

 

1000

 

Bass is full and deep, mids are lush and forward, and the treble is anything but recessed as I go through my test tracks out of an iPad, using an older DHC Molecule TRS cable. When I tried the 650 before with a balanced cable out of a WA22, I didn't feel like these scaled up that well so I'll have to give that another try at some point; I still don't feel that the HD600 is all that great out of the WA22. This setup is a keeper though, the 650 really likes this amp/DAC and scales to the recording nicely out of it as well.

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Edited by grokit - 12/1/12 at 4:44pm
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Lol. Welcome back to the fold grokit.

 

I didn't get in on the Senn deal, but mine were purchased new for $349. The MAP Sennheiser enforce is ridiculous. The HD650 needs to be less than $400, where it rules the roost.


Edited by olor1n - 12/1/12 at 4:44pm
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your welcome doc :P 

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your welcome doc :P 

There he is...... yes thanx for posting it.....
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Sorry don't know enough about that line of amp/PSU to comment on it.  In fact, I've never tried the PSU change before but i suppose cleaner power should affect sound...?  In the end though if you want the best bang for buck, you should probably just save for a better source or higher end amp. =P save your wallet more pain in the long run.

Thanks for coming back...smily_headphones1.gif

Just broke the bank for this lot. I believe Sennheiser used the Solo to demonstrate the 650s, at least in the UK. How much more would I have to spend on an amp to get a real improvement in audio quality? I know from reading the forum that a lot of you over there are tube fanatics. Are we talking an amp switch to tubes at a similar prive bracket here or a significant cost upscale? As for the source, the Meridian 506 is an oldie, but a goodie smily_headphones1.gif I've got no complaints on what I have now and im enjoying it hugely. Id love to just be able to tweak it a bit for a relatively low cost.
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Well, I keep hearing from others how the lyr is absolutely magical for the HD650s so you might consider those if you wanna go with tubes. 

 

My e17/e09k combo is very nice for the price.... or even if you wanna upgrade from your amp, the e09k outputs over 150mW @ 300Ohm so it's already more than the 60mW you're getting from the headbox.  the e09 runs for about $110-120 new?  And the nice part is the e17 is a really solid DAC and can also act as a portable solution for anything else you might have that's more portable.

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Nah sorry (to a poster named nicholas something or other that I thought was above me but apparently isn't.) The HD650 are excellent phones for the price and I like my pair but they are not even in the same technical league as the HD800 and LCD3. Sound signature has nothing to do with it. Detail retrieval and transient response on the 650 don't even come close to the 800 or LCD3. The technology behind the ring radiator driver in the 800 is miles ahead of what's in the 650, and likewise for the planar magnetic driver in the LCD3.
Edited by IPodPJ - 12/2/12 at 12:09am
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I've had mine for maybe a week and a half now. Haven't really had much interest in anything else lately. This pair sounds pretty much close to neutral. No kidding. I can't hear any huge mid-bass hump or a lack of treble now. There was some rather forward lower mids  out of the box, but now it's smoothed itself out. There's really ZERO things I don't like about this headphone. I guess it's just that i'm not wowed by it from portable amps and devices...yet. Sounds like 75% as good and that's no exaggeration! As good as the Sansa devices are, I think maybe an Ipod is a better match for them.

 

What I want to know is if anyone has had a pair purchased in the last month that sounds like it has very slightly forward upper mids? Mine sure does, but not enough to stick out too much. It's really nice actually...I mean it's not like a Grado or anything. This goes against what people usually say. This HD-650 actually sounds closer to the HD-580.

 

This pair definitely sounds way clearer and more detailed than the HD-600. Less so when I don't use my main setup.

 

Right now i'm playing through the game Dark Souls with them. I think the soundtrack isn't as clear as it could be and I don't think I can blame the HD-650.

 

I don't think i'll ever find out why my last two pairs had bloated bass and a lack of treble. I guess who cares now that this pair sounds good.

 

I've been experimenting with different portable setups since I like these enough to use them around the house once in awhile.

 

Here's a few more things i've tried:

 

Fuze to E11 using headphone out. This was terrible and made everything muffled sounding. I guess both are kind of warm, so it al 3 together is a big no-no.

Using a LOD cable and bypassing the internal amp really helped clear things up. Maybe the headphone jack is messing with the sound.

 

Total Airhead from Fuze using LOD was also better than using the headphone out to amp. When using the LOD with my Q701 it's really thin sounding and kind of harsh. I guess the HD-650 needs less power to sound decent or something.

 

I tried my Ipod 3G again using LOD and it's not as bad as I originally thought.

 

I put rockbox on the Fuze V2 and Ipod 3G. Rockbox for the fuze requires a patch to get the line out working. To my ears the Ipod 3G (monochrome) sounds much better than the Clip+, Fuze and my Ipod Touch. Not sure how it compares to my new Ipod Video (5.5) yet since I accidentally just destroyed it trying to replace it's battery! Oops. Luckily I only sliced off it's ribbon.

 

Oh yeah.. I also recently read a comment that the 650 has thicker foam behind it's driver compared to the HD-600. Wonder if this true. I'll have to check this out. Highly unlikely and that wouldn't change a lot.

 

Another thing I noticed is that the low bass seems a lot better extended and present on my main setup than with portable. With portables it doesn't seem any better than that of the HD-600/Q701. Just slightly. Maybe the E11 or Airhead have slightly rolled off bass. Pretty sure they don't. Airhead only goes down to 20hz though.

 

I would say the mids on this HD-650 are just as addicting as those of my DJ100.

 

unrelated note:

 

When testing the HD-650 with portable devices I also tried the Q701. I can only get that thing to sound good with portable devices when "double amping" them. Using the portable players internal amp AND an external portable amp. Fuze to E11/Airhead through heaphone jack sounded great. Strangely enough my DJ100 requires the same setup and it's 38ohm or so. Using a line out cable to portable amp is generally awful IMO with the Q701/DJ100, but perfectly OK for my HD-650 (so far).


Edited by tdockweiler - 12/2/12 at 12:26am
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