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post #8611 of 18473
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Originally Posted by Viciel View Post

yeah its definitely not from my headphone, tried it. its coming from my asus D2X soundcard. if i keep it plugged in to the sound card, will it break my headphone? thats my better DAC as from now before i move in to buy others

Try it on another soundcard if you can, the problem with internal soundcard's is that there is a awful lot of electromagnetic RF/noise flying around in a PC plus all the components share the same PSU.

post #8612 of 18473
The Sennheiser HD 650 gaming review is up! Any questions? Lemme know what you guys think!
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Sennheiser HD650



Sells for $350-$500

Oh, one of the most beloved and well known headphones in the audiophile community. These were my 'dream' headphone since the beginning of my audiophile journey. One I never thought I'd ever buy back then. It's also one of the few headphones that after I learned what sonic quality I wanted in a headphone, didn't think I would personally like. If I had bought them months or years ago, I'm not sure I would've liked them. I tend to prefer a bright, aggressive, bass and treble-centric headphone. The HD650 is known to be the opposite. Dark/warm, relaxed, and smooth, with dulled treble response. You can see why I was very adamant about not ever giving these a chance.

It wasn't until recently that I wanted to venture out and look for something a little different from my normal preferences. An alternative that I'd use whenever I wanted to sit back, and enjoy a soothing sound, with forward mids/vocals that I could watch my TV shows, movies, anime with. Ironically, my secondary can is considerably more expensive than my main can (DT990s) at the time. Lol, Head-fi logic. Well, I went and took the plunge, hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. I thought I would hate them. Really. It was an experiment that would cost me, but one I needed to do at some point, as the HD650 was always that ONE headphone I was always curious about (more than any other).

So what happened? Did I like them? Hate them? To my surprise... I loved them for music, movies, TV, and anime, and liked but wasn't thrilled by them for gaming. Let's get into the sound.

Bass: The lows. Well, this is surprising. They are actually pretty bassy. Not DT990 bassy, but they have a nice, full, bassy sound. I'd say it's between the DT880 and 990 in presence. It's a warm bass, with medium speed. Pretty much ideal for all-rounder headphones with good bass that would please those that like balance and a fun signature. The bass quantity is enjoyable for all crowds, unless you're a pure neutral-head or pure bass-head. I didn't find myself wanting more bass, though they do roll off in the sub-bass, which is typical of most dynamic headphones, something the HE-400 has no problems with.

If I could score the bass, it'd be; Quantity: 7.5, Quality: 8. Just really pleasing bass all around.

Mids: This is the star of the show. And when I say star... I mean, it is absolutely the best interpretation of mids/vocals I have EVER heard on any headphone...EVER. I'm usually fine with mid recession as I tend to prefer bass and treble emphasis, but MAN... once I heard the HD650... it made me see mids in a whole new light. The vocals are so sweet, so upfront, so rich, so haunting! Based on mids alone, I recommend this headphone to ANYONE looking for a headphone that does vocals some amazing justice. The only other headphone that provides really sweet mids that I've heard is the Audio Technica ESW9, but the ESW9 is a closed on ear, with a considerably smaller soundstage, and overly smooth treble, and stuffy sound signature in comparison. The ESW9 is good, but not HD650 good.

The HD598 also has very forward mids, but I felt the lean bass, and thinner sound, made the mids sound unnaturally forward and shouty. The warmth and fullness of the HD650 basically destroyed any chance the HD598 had in a direct comparison. There was no competition. The HD650's mids demolish the HD598's in tone, realism, and richness. The HE400 is often compared to the HD650, and despite my preference for the HE400, the HD650 is clearly the king of mids here. The HE400 has great, INTEGRATED mids, that don't sound pushed back or forward with a realistic tone. That being said, the HD650's forward mids are special. The HD650 clearly wins here. As far as Q701 and HD650's mids, the HD650 wins again. The Q701 has forward mids, but they aren't nearly as full sounding, or as rich.

Long story shot, the mids are godly. If I had to score them: Quantity: 10, Quality: 10. That is perfection, because that's how I feel about the HD650's mids.

Treble: Oh the treble. This is single-handedly the ONLY reason I have put off getting the HD650 for so long. If you read about the HD650, the treble will always be discussed and debated on. Are they too smooth, rolled off, undetailed... veiled? This is a debate that will never end on Head-fi. As a fan of treble sparkle and some emphasis, I was absolutely mortified about hearing what people said of the HD650's smooth, laid back, dull, treble.

So how did they sound to me? Surprisingly, I REALLY liked the treble! I didn't LOVE it. I still do prefer some more sparkle, but as the relaxing alternative to my typical treble emphasized headphones, I didn't find the treble overly smooth or dull on the HD650. Trust me, when your main can is the DT990 which is known for it's SUPER treble emphasis, and compare it directly to the much more reserved and rolled off treble of the HD650, you would tend to notice a huge difference. In all honestly, I really thought the treble on the HD650s was right where it should be for the type of headphone that the HD650 is. Without that treble, I think the HD650 wouldn't sound as rich and 'creamy' as they do. Would I use the HD650s as my ONLY headphone? To be frank, no. They performed well in absolutely everything except genres that desired an aggressive signature. Stuff like metal, and EDM just didn't have the energy on the HD650s. So no, they aren't the perfect all rounders. However, through some vocal dependent tracks, and stuff like movies, TV, and most non-music needs (even gaming), the HD650s are indeed in a very good place. Unfortunately, I tend to listen to EDM and metal more than anything, so the HD650 lost a few points.

To score the treble; Quality: 7, Quantity: 7. If the treble is boosted by a bit, these could be what I'd consider very natural to neutral with a slight emphasis towards bass. I think they'd be less rich overall though, so I personally wouldn't want to touch what makes the HD650 what they are.

Amping: I have the HD650 paired up with the Audio-GD SA-31 which is much more powerful than pretty much any amp most of you use, or would use, so I'm not exactly sure how they'd sound with less power, but I personally felt that they aren't as hard to drive as people make them out to be. They need considerably less power than the DT990/600, and possibly even the DT990/250. I'd say they'd need about as much as the DT990/32 for at LEAST volume level. We know power =/= volume, but it helps. To be clear: they do not need a lot to be driven LOUDLY. I tested them with the Mixamp only, and they can be driven off it loud enough. I didn't test it enough to see how well they're actually driven, but they sounded good. They may be a little thinner sounding, which could actually be a good thing for gaming, as it makes pinpointing sounds a bit easier than the very rich, thick signature the HD650s have with the SA-31.

Okay, so how did they perform for gaming?

Soundstage: I haven't gotten to the specifics of gaming with the HD650s yet, but I'll mention the soundstage first. With and without extra amping the Mixamp, I felt the HD650's soundstage to be medium sized. Not big, and not little. However, I didn't find them to be stellar in terms of depth, so the sense of space for gaming, wasn't as good as I would have hoped. I was always expecting the HD650 to not be the greatest pairing for Dolby Headphone, and my fears were slightly warranted. The front/back depth isn't great. Let's get that out of the way. The width is good, but not close to being the best. The DT990 destroys the HD650 in both depth and width. So how's the air within the soundstage? Well, the problem with the HD650, is that it's a very full sounding headphone. Thick, warm tone tends to make the soundstage seems less airy and smaller. This is one of those times where a thinner/leaner sounding headphone has the advantage, like the AD700/HD598/K701. The HD650 isn't STUFFY like say the ESW9, but that rich tonality doesn't help gamers.

Positioning: Positioning and soundstage tend to go hand in hand, so if the soundstage isn't great, the positional cues will suffer. How did the HD650 fare positional-wise? Well, they were good. Not great, and could obviously be better, but they do their job. I could play something like Black Ops without any problems, though having used headphones much better for soundstage/positioning, I could tell they lacked a bit. I'd put the HD650 just ever so slightly above the DT880 positional wise, but they aren't that much better.

Clarity: You need clarity for soundwhoring in competitive gaming. Despite the laid back treble, I found the natural tone of the HD650 to be very detailed. The forward mids came off very clean and clear, and I felt I didn't miss any sounds. I've heard better overall (even the 990's are better for soundwhoring). The problem is that the HD650 is a very thick sounding headphone. Basically, the issues I explained in the soundstage section is what hurts clarity for gaming purposes.

Comfort: I mentioned that Sennheiser likes their clamp. The HD201, HD280 Pro (!), PC360, and HD598 all have some form of clamp. The HD650 is no different. They do clamp a bit more than I'd personally like, but it's a minor gripe overall. I find the HD650 to be very comfortable overall, and over extending the arms a little, to wear the HD650 slightly loose alleviates the clamp a bit. I've felt better, but not much better. The velours are great. Not too firm, and not too soft. The cups are huge and will fit ears very comfortably. I like the oval shape, which makes them easier to use while laying down compared to circular cups.

Value: The Sennheiser HD650 is a considerably expensive headphone. If your main purpose for getting a headphone is gaming, there are considerably better options for less. If pure audio fidelity, and non-gaming purposes is your main purpose, the HD650 is incredibly hard to beat. Their sound signature is just stellar for most things, save for a few genres, and they're competent for gaming, just not stellar. I personally can't justify owning both the HD650 and HE-400, so I stuck with the HE-400 which is a more energetic, and better equipped for gaming use.

Final Impressions: The HD650 has a very special place in my heart. It took years to finally take the plunge, but I'm VERY glad I did. They have quickly become one of my very favorite headphones. Though their gaming performance isn't as stellar as I would have hoped, it's better than I expected. I absolutely love the HD650 overall, and they have made me see the importance of mids, if even for just non-gaming, non-music use. Movies and TV shows are made for the HD650. Their incredible tonality, rich/full sound, perfect mids are an absolute blessing. Treble is definitely it's weakest aspect of sound, but they aren't veiled, just...reserved.

For gamers looking for all-rounders, these do put up a fight. They're better than the vast majority of headphones I mentioned on this guide in terms of audio fidelity, but in raw performance for gaming, they're outclassed by others costing considerably less.

Final Scores...

Fun: 8

Competitive: 7

Comfort: 8

Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 11/12/12 at 10:24am
post #8613 of 18473

Great writeup MLE!! I enjoyed reading it. It was eerie to read as it almost mimicked my experience with the hd650 to the letter. Like you, I didn't buy the hd650 earlier on because some of the negatives that I'd read about. And while I truly love them now, I'm not sure that I'd have been ready for them a couple years ago. Or even a year ago. 

 

Where you like treble sparkle, I like a darker warmer signature. Rolled off treble, dark but detailed mids and good bass impact and texture (think lcd2r2). Despite the fact that the hd650 does not match my preferred sound signature exactly, I absolutely love it. We are in complete agreement about the mids. They are simply utterly sublime!! You should hear them on the lyr, with the right tubes...omg. blink.gif It's just stupid good. 

 

For me, I thought that the hd650 would be too disappointing with bass...it's not. It's just a great all round headphone that I don't think I could ever sale. 


Edited by MattTCG - 11/12/12 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

 

For me, I thought that the hd650 would be too disappointing with bass...it's not. It's just a great all round headphone that I don't think I could ever sale. 

 

+2.  Even in the presence of HE-6 and HD800, HD650 simply can not be replaced, and has the benefit that no matter what upstream gear I upgrade to take advantage of HD800 and HE-6, HD650 benefits significantly from them too!  They won't be going anywhere...

 

I need to get myself a balanced HD650 cable, or send my Silver Dragon back to Drew for XLR retermination now that I have a Mjolnir...I'd love to hear 650 on there! bigsmile_face.gif

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

+2.  Even in the presence of HE-6 and HD800, HD650 simply can not be replaced, and has the benefit that no matter what upstream gear I upgrade to take advantage of HD800 and HE-6, HD650 benefits significantly from them too!  They won't be going anywhere...

 

I need to get myself a balanced HD650 cable, or send my Silver Dragon back to Drew for XLR retermination now that I have a Mjolnir...I'd love to hear 650 on there! bigsmile_face.gif

 

What are you waiting for? You should have had that balanced cable ready for when the mjolnir arrived!! biggrin.gif

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So I'm starting to consider a portable amp to pair with my ipod that will drive the hd650 (as well as orthos ie he400). This will not be something that I will take out of the house, but just so that I can use my hard to drive hp's in the bedroom at night and other areas of the house. I just my e17 as is it really just didn't satisfy me with these hp's and the other I mentioned. Let's say I have a budget of around $300...what will pair well with an ipod and drive the hd650 to an enjoyable, not just loud, level. 

 

thanks...

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Probably one of the Headroom Portable Amps. Tdockweiler probably knows which.
post #8618 of 18473
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

So I'm starting to consider a portable amp to pair with my ipod that will drive the hd650 (as well as orthos ie he400). This will not be something that I will take out of the house, but just so that I can use my hard to drive hp's in the bedroom at night and other areas of the house. I just my e17 as is it really just didn't satisfy me with these hp's and the other I mentioned. Let's say I have a budget of around $300...what will pair well with an ipod and drive the hd650 to an enjoyable, not just loud, level. 

 

thanks...

I have the E17 and O2, the O2 took them to the next level that's the only two amps I own.

post #8619 of 18473
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Originally Posted by fuzzy1969 View Post

I have the E17 and O2, the O2 took them to the next level that's the only two amps I own.

 

I have an O2 and a Matrix M-Stage, used with my HD 650, Beyerdynamic DT 990 Premium, and for just under a week the JVC HA-S500. I prefer the O2, but it's not a massive difference. It's got a much better price and doesn't require shipment from China (PRC.)

 

From JDS Labs, the O2 is $150 and it runs on two 9V batteries. The O2+ODAC is $285, but requires an additional, external A/C transformer ("power bricklet", $10.) Order to delivery was less than 48 hours by USPS Priority Mail ($7). I'm impressed by JDS.

post #8620 of 18473

Great write up! I also just absolutely love the hd650. I've gone through the Beyerdynamic T1 (sold) and the HIFIMAN HE-500 (gonna sell it too probably). The hd650 is just too good. The sound it has is just ... something very few phones do.

post #8621 of 18473
MLE, Nice review. You covered all the bases in a complete manner! Well done! No surprise either. biggrin.gif
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I got my 650's yesterday. The STX isn't as good with them as I'd hoped, but they are still awesome. I have a meet up with someone who has a number of amps this weekend and will report back after that but I love these headphones.  The way I described it to a workmate, was... It's like getting a hug from your music. It's just warm and enveloping. 

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Originally Posted by networkn View Post

The way I described it to a workmate, was... It's like getting a hug from your music. It's just warm and enveloping. 

Great description!
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

+2.  Even in the presence of HE-6 and HD800, HD650 simply can not be replaced, and has the benefit that no matter what upstream gear I upgrade to take advantage of HD800 and HE-6, HD650 benefits significantly from them too!  They won't be going anywhere...
+1 more. The 650s are such a good compliment. I reach for them a lot more than I expected to. Great tuning job by Senn.
Edited by Draygonn - 11/12/12 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by Yahoe View Post

Thanks Hellenback, but quite an expensive solution at more than 200 $. Interesting though.


I hadn't seen the actual cost of the Q cables when I posted...there's got to be a less expensive way to do something like this mad.gif.  I really need to get into some DIY cable construction!

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