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post #811 of 36903
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Originally Posted by runswithaliens View Post
Hello Plonter, I will be curious to hear your impressions of them with electronic music. I am surprised to hear that they seem to be working better for you with your solid state amp compared to the tube amp. I might have to consider the ultra micro stack.
yes,the ultra micro stack is the real deal for me...the EF1 is very nice for it's price, and with the right tube it also sounds great ,but it just lack power and dynamics for driving the HD650... at least from what I hear.

at first i thought that the headroom rig was lacking in bass so i used the EF1 with a warm tube to get some bass out of them, but now,when they are much more burned in the HD650 sound spectacular with the micros and there is even more bass than with the EF1+mullard.

they right word is "power", a powerful amp is needed to get the full potential out of them and to control them with authority.
In fact,today I got pretty much the best sound I got so far from my rig.
I can't even imagine how they will sound with balanced drive or with much better single ended rig than mine, because the sound was perfect to my ears.
post #812 of 36903
I was lucky enough to attend a performance of music from Star Trek films yesterday by the Sydney Symphony at the Sydney Opera House. It was particularly interesting because, with so much dynamic and occasionally violent music on offer, I was able to do a mental sound and balance check of my 650s, testing my aural memory when I got home by immediately playing some CDs of the very same music I'd just heard. Having read so much recently about how much brighter the HD800 was, and then coincidentally coming upon a number of comments about how much brighter, more detailed and more open the K701 was against the 650, I was beginning to wonder if the 650 really was as balanced as I'd always believed, or had I just got used to its muffled darkness? So the concert was a test: I was prepared to start investigating other phones, including the K701, if the 650 didn't measure up, if there was a significant difference in balance or lack of air and detail. Well...wait for it...I was rather surprised to find that the 650 replicated quite exactly the balance I heard at the concert. It was not duller in any way, not even at the extreme top end. Listening with eyes closed after I got home, I found I could relive the concert with remarkable accuracy; anything brighter would have spoilt the effect.

Now, does this mean the 650 is the greatest phone every made and reproduces music exactly? Of course not. I was sitting a good distance from the orchestra, certainly far enough to cause a dampening of cymbals; a hundred feet closer and the cymbals would have been considerably more incisive. Which of course brings up the question of what is a natural balance. Is it the sound as heard from a hundred feet, two hundred feet, or in the orchestra pit? The 650 is supposedly dull, yet in classical music terms it replicates the sound of a typical orchestra in a typical concert hall from the middle to the rear of the hall--a typical seating position (a good seat, in fact, for those of us with limited funds). In fact this test has confirmed me in sticking with the 650. The sound I hear is NOT that of a live orchestra; I've never heard that in any headphone including Stax electrostatics. Reproduced sound cannot seem to reproduce the natural thrum of a live orchestra, the resonance of the violin boxes, the farty rasp of the tubas, the satisfying thump of several dozen different instruments all hitting a low note at once...I suspect it has more to do with multi-miking, in fact, than headphone design. But since I can't and never will be able to afford the 800, the 650 will do me just fine, having proved itself to me now as, if not perfect, at least well balanced; not bright maybe, but for those of us who sit toward the back, not dull and muffled either. It seems I've found just the right porridge: not too hot and not too cold.
post #813 of 36903

Just ordered mine!

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Originally Posted by plonter View Post
The HD650 sure need a powerful amp to shine...A low power/low quality amp will Embarrass them. After listening with my EF1 for a while and now changing to the headroom ultra micro stack I really noticed the differences.
with the headroom they are WAY more controlled and dynamic...very aggresive but at the same time keeping the senn sound sig. the bass is tight and controlled. NO veil whatsoever.

I also never felt the need to take the foams off...they are pretty bright and aggressive to my liking as they are, good amplification (and source) is all they need.
I just ordered mine from J&R for a really good price. They should arrive by the week's end and hopefully coincide with my Mapletree Ear+HD headphone amp. Hopefully I am impressed with this combination.

I loved the HD650s when I tried them out and hopefully this amp can drive them and my Grado RS1s to new heights.

I should have comments next week after I've had a chance to burn them in a little.
post #814 of 36903
Ive had my HD650's for about 6 months, they seem to get better every day, just got the Double Helix cable upgrade after reading about it on here, sounds divine! I cant stop listening to Antony and the Johnsons with these cans, sublime!

I drive mine with a Beresford DAC - Darkvoice 336se - HD650 + doublehelix.
post #815 of 36903
so i was changing earpads today and i noticed the foam was pretty easy to remove

anyone here listen to these without the foam? i think it sounds a bit more forward/clear

is it dangerous to have the driver's exposed? the headphones never leave my desk if that matters
post #816 of 36903
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Originally Posted by koven View Post
so i was changing earpads today and i noticed the foam was pretty easy to remove

anyone here listen to these without the foam? i think it sounds a bit more forward/clear

is it dangerous to have the driver's exposed? the headphones never leave my desk if that matters
My 650 drivers don't have much protection. I've been using mine like this for maybe 2 years with no problem. I figure the screen would keep any small object from making contact with the driver.

post #817 of 36903
^ thats a great idea.. i think i will cut a hole in mine just like that

thanks!
post #818 of 36903
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Originally Posted by koven View Post
^ thats a great idea.. i think i will cut a hole in mine just like that

thanks!
YW. I think I used a Nickel for the hole size. Cut with a razor blade.
post #819 of 36903
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Originally Posted by plonter View Post
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I will try them again with some electronic tracks to see if they improved in that area also, because until now i kind of avoided from listening with electronic music with them...except for burn in purposes.
Right now, I really prefer them over the AHD5000.
Did you get a chance to do some quality time with your 650's and electronic music yet? I am wondering how they sound for the softer ambient/electronica sounds in particular.
post #820 of 36903
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Originally Posted by runswithaliens View Post
Did you get a chance to do some quality time with your 650's and electronic music yet? I am wondering how they sound for the softer ambient/electronica sounds in particular.
Im often listening to electronic stuff and they sound great. I listen to all sorts of stuff but as far as slower electronica goes... stuff like Deepchord, Rhythm and sound, flying lotus, deeper Fabric releases, Plastikman, bitcrush, brian eno, Dub all sounds good. But then again that style of music sounds great on pretty much any decent headphone For faster stuff i think i prefer hd25's. but that also might be becuase i'm not driving my 650s well enough for fast punchy house music or d&b etc
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I still don't like them with trance music, IMO they don't have enough bass and punch for that kind of music. burn in won't change it.
they are not bad though...but also not the IDEAL can for electronic musmic IMHO. I prefer the bass heavy AH-D5000 for that.
post #822 of 36903

Just got mine

Hi all:

I just got my HD650s from JR.com yesterday and they are burning in. My initial impressions are they are very different from my RS1s and need more power.

I can totally see how people can think they are a bit dark. I am waiting on my Mapletree Ear+HD amp (ETA this Monday) to make a better call.

I am thinking of the Stefan Art Equinox Noir cable to go with them based on reviews and comments of some. Anybody have their experiences to share?

Thanks!
post #823 of 36903
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Originally Posted by runswithaliens View Post
Did you get a chance to do some quality time with your 650's and electronic music yet? I am wondering how they sound for the softer ambient/electronica sounds in particular.
With trance, I find they do an excellent job with more intricate melodies and vocals, but they definitely need a db or two added on the low end. The bass quality and tone is there, but not the volume or presence. And considering what the average fan of the genre is looking for, that's a bit of a downside. For better or worse, they'll also do a great job of letting you know if the artist used crappy samples.
post #824 of 36903
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
Hi all:

I just got my HD650s from JR.com yesterday and they are burning in. My initial impressions are they are very different from my RS1s and need more power.

I can totally see how people can think they are a bit dark. I am waiting on my Mapletree Ear+HD amp (ETA this Monday) to make a better call.

I am thinking of the Stefan Art Equinox Noir cable to go with them based on reviews and comments of some. Anybody have their experiences to share?

Thanks!
As you may have seen in one of my previous post, I've tried hard to get a clean and crisp sound out of the HD650. While I got a UPOCC cable, I could say this can would benefit from an even more transparent cable, like a silver based one. Keeping warmth is not an issue with these !
post #825 of 36903
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
Hi all:

I just got my HD650s from JR.com yesterday and they are burning in. My initial impressions are they are very different from my RS1s and need more power.

I can totally see how people can think they are a bit dark. I am waiting on my Mapletree Ear+HD amp (ETA this Monday) to make a better call.

I am thinking of the Stefan Art Equinox Noir cable to go with them based on reviews and comments of some. Anybody have their experiences to share?

Thanks!
I am the exact cable that u have in mind. If u do not move much while enjoying the musics, Equinox indeed is an awesome cable for the can. However if you do mobilize fair bit or even plan to have it with portable and outdoor, do avoid it as it does produce microphonics whenever it rubs against anything. Double Helix cables are fairly good for HD650 and no harm to look at his cable.

Enjoy the great HD650.
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