I thought they were okay, as in, they pretty much beat out every other portable candidate in the price range that I've heard, apart from the C421. Which isn't saying much. I do agree that they obviously lack compared to something like the Violectrics, or the EF5s. Turning the gain up didn't seem to help either. Had to use the HD650+E17 combo once because the store's Asgard was being hogged .
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