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Originally Posted by Migou67 View Post

The HD-650 was never designed for basshead people, the HE-400 has I read can be a better compromise.

This.

 

I've got D5000s for my basshead tendencies. :) The HD650s are for more vocal tracks and jazz....

 

Now I'm torn between the Shure 1840s and the HD650s because the 1840s seems to have more "presence" on live jazz recordings (check out Bill Evans' "Waltz for Debby").

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Originally Posted by twizzleraddict View Post

This.

 

I've got D5000s for my basshead tendencies. :) The HD650s are for more vocal tracks and jazz....

 

Now I'm torn between the Shure 1840s and the HD650s because the 1840s seems to have more "presence" on live jazz recordings (check out Bill Evans' "Waltz for Debby").


Yeah, while classical is almost always HE-400 for me (HD650 is too laid back for it for my tastes...HD600 was the better classical can) Jazz is 50/50 split between HD650 and HE-400, usually more HD650, though.

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Originally Posted by twizzleraddict View Post

This.

 

I've got D5000s for my basshead tendencies. :) The HD650s are for more vocal tracks and jazz....

 

Now I'm torn between the Shure 1840s and the HD650s because the 1840s seems to have more "presence" on live jazz recordings (check out Bill Evans' "Waltz for Debby").

Well I think they have plenty of bass. I listen mostly to prog metal and jazz and I have not found this to be true. There is a track on  Dream Theaters Systematic chaos cd that rattles my head when the bass kick's in. 

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Originally Posted by olddtfan View Post

Well I think they have plenty of bass. I listen mostly to prog metal and jazz and I have not found this to be true. There is a track on  Dream Theaters Systematic chaos cd that rattles my head when the bass kick's in. 

Midbass, which happens to be most of the bass in those genres.  When we talk about HD650 lacking "sub-bass" we mean frequencies under 40Hz, mostly produced by synthetic electronic instruments, electric bass undertones extend into the sub, and classical can have sub-bass, as the timpani & kettle combined with the string bass section reverberating and attenuating off the hall walls can emphasize the sub-40Hz undertones.  Kodo drum is another example of something that would extend sub-bass audibly.

 

For normal string bass in such as a jazz setting, there would be little audible sub-bass despite the bass having some extended undertones into that frequency range.  Prog metal isn't about the sub-40Hz frequencies, though the elec. bass may carry some of those frequencies.

 

Think more pipe organ biggrin.gif

post #7655 of 36885
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

Midbass, which happens to be most of the bass in those genres.  When we talk about HD650 lacking "sub-bass" we mean frequencies under 40Hz, mostly produced by synthetic electronic instruments, electric bass undertones extend into the sub, and classical can have sub-bass, as the timpani & kettle combined with the string bass section reverberating and attenuating off the hall walls can emphasize the sub-40Hz undertones.  Kodo drum is another example of something that would extend sub-bass audibly.

 

For normal string bass in such as a jazz setting, there would be little audible sub-bass despite the bass having some extended undertones into that frequency range.  Prog metal isn't about the sub-40Hz frequencies, though the elec. bass may carry some of those frequencies.

 

Think more pipe organ biggrin.gif

just like ultra high frequences, low frequences are almost always there. Obviously a lot of music isn't about 40hz and under, but having a strong response in that region will create much bolder lows with backbone. I think the 64hz band is the most fun to play around with though.

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Originally Posted by satanigatan View Post

I made a post a couple pages back, and didn't entirely specify what I needed, so I apologize. But here is my situation:

 

I live at my University for most of the week. Back at home, I have a really nice audio set up, but it's too big to carry back and forth. At my Uni, I only have my Macbook Pro and a Fiio e10. Lol and as you can imagine, this is just not anywhere close enough to power the HD-650. 

 

Basically, I'm looking for a DAC/AMP desktop combo that will go straight to my laptop, and will do a decent job amping them. Compact and easy. And I would like to keep it $400 range. I know, HD-650 needs much better amps to fully get the best out of them. And at some point I will invest in a much better set up. But I'm going to wait until I graduate and am living permanently in one area vs. bouncing around between two places. 

 

Right now I'm looking between two DAC/AMPs. The HiFiman EF2A, it looks really well built for only $169. I've even seen some people suggest it with the 650. But then as it always the case, I've seen some people say it's crap with the 650. (I have a newer HD-650 btw). Then I'm also looking at the NuForce Icon HDP which is $469. But I've also heard mixed things about that.

 

My expectations are pretty realistic. I understand given my price range, I'm not going to tap into the headphones full potential. But I also want it better than the E10 that I have now, which well lol is barely driving them at all. I just don't want to waste money, and get no improvement over my current set up, which I think is awful. I would really appreciate the help. 

 

You might want to check out the Audio-gd NFB-5 (or NFB-5.2, only a minor USB chip difference).

 

It's a DAC/amp combo with plenty of power and good sound in the price range. I've reviewed it here on Head-Fi and here in more detail on my bog.

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Originally Posted by satanigatan View Post

I made a post a couple pages back, and didn't entirely specify what I needed, so I apologize. But here is my situation:

 

I live at my University for most of the week. Back at home, I have a really nice audio set up, but it's too big to carry back and forth. At my Uni, I only have my Macbook Pro and a Fiio e10. Lol and as you can imagine, this is just not anywhere close enough to power the HD-650. 

 

Basically, I'm looking for a DAC/AMP desktop combo that will go straight to my laptop, and will do a decent job amping them. Compact and easy. And I would like to keep it $400 range. I know, HD-650 needs much better amps to fully get the best out of them. And at some point I will invest in a much better set up. But I'm going to wait until I graduate and am living permanently in one area vs. bouncing around between two places. 

 

Right now I'm looking between two DAC/AMPs. The HiFiman EF2A, it looks really well built for only $169. I've even seen some people suggest it with the 650. But then as it always the case, I've seen some people say it's crap with the 650. (I have a newer HD-650 btw). Then I'm also looking at the NuForce Icon HDP which is $469. But I've also heard mixed things about that.

 

My expectations are pretty realistic. I understand given my price range, I'm not going to tap into the headphones full potential. But I also want it better than the E10 that I have now, which well lol is barely driving them at all. I just don't want to waste money, and get no improvement over my current set up, which I think is awful. I would really appreciate the help. 

 

http://www.audioquest.com/usb_digital_analog_converter/dragonfly-dac

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/617241/audioquest-dragonfly-review-affordable-outstanding-tiny-dac-amp

 

satanigatan, the Dragonfly will be perfect for your needs. I use it with the HD650's both on my home computer and with my MBPro when I am traveling. Plenty of power and after some break in time it is a terrific and highly portable DAC. You will be very pleased with its price, performance and form factor.

 

BTW, the Dragonfly forum has been pretty active. It'll take a bit of time to read through but is probably worth your time for you research.

 

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I'm just surprised something like a USB could really power the headphones. I mean granted, it's through your computer. But in my head I just always assumed you needed an internal power source JUST for the cans alone.

 

I'll give them a shot though. They sound perfect for what I need indeed. Going to order now. 

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Originally Posted by satanigatan View Post

I'm just surprised something like a USB could really power the headphones. I mean granted, it's through your computer. But in my head I just always assumed you needed an internal power source JUST for the cans alone.

 

I'll give them a shot though. They sound perfect for what I need indeed. Going to order now. 

 

USB can supply 5V in terms of dedicated power supply delivery.  It's an unusual way of powering an amplifier, and I don't really know how they manage to pull it off, normally a bit more power is required in an amp so that it needs a wall wart at least.  But if they have some sort of system that really uses a battery or something inside as a buffer, I can see powering an amp purely as a USB feed. 

 

It sounds like it would be low powered to me as well.  I'm sure it'll work, and even sound good, though I'm sure it won't match up to some of the more high end options out there.  I don't see it replacing the desktop, but it's an intriguing solution for when low profile is needed! 


Edited by IEMCrazy - 8/31/12 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

USB can supply 5V in terms of dedicated power supply delivery.  It's an unusual way of powering an amplifier, and I don't really know how they manage to pull it off, normally a bit more power is required in an amp so that it needs a wall wart at least.  But if they have some sort of system that really uses a battery or something inside as a buffer, I can see powering an amp purely as a USB feed. 

 

It sounds like it would be low powered to me as well.  I'm sure it'll work, and even sound good, though I'm sure it won't match up to some of the more high end options out there.  I don't see it replacing the desktop, but it's an intriguing solution for when low profile is needed! 

 

When I use the HD650's with the Desktop HP and JRiver I am listening to the DF at around 40% for a comfortable volume. On the MBPro, iTunes and Amarra, it is at around 70% for a similar volume. I could certainly listen at full volume, but I would not want to even when I am headbangin'. It is lower when I use the HD25-1 ii's for travel.

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I've yet to hear anything that surpasses the HD650 out of either a Zana Deux or to a very slightly lesser extent B22 with mainstream jazz/bop. The HD650 has the perfect temperament for the likes of Bill Evans, Coltrane, Wes Montgomery and the additional speed it finds with the Zana/B22 makes it phenomenal. None of my other cans have given me the same degree of enjoyment for jazz and I aim to pursue an Omega MK1 to surpass it (fingers crossed).
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

Midbass, which happens to be most of the bass in those genres.  When we talk about HD650 lacking "sub-bass" we mean frequencies under 40Hz, mostly produced by synthetic electronic instruments, electric bass undertones extend into the sub, and classical can have sub-bass, as the timpani & kettle combined with the string bass section reverberating and attenuating off the hall walls can emphasize the sub-40Hz undertones.  Kodo drum is another example of something that would extend sub-bass audibly.

 

For normal string bass in such as a jazz setting, there would be little audible sub-bass despite the bass having some extended undertones into that frequency range.  Prog metal isn't about the sub-40Hz frequencies, though the elec. bass may carry some of those frequencies.

 

Think more pipe organ biggrin.gif

Ok I see what you mean but do we really need to enjoy these cans. ?

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Just bought my first pair used, sounds pretty awesome so far!

 

Previous owner made mogami cables, with amperior jack.  I think they are copper.    I'm using a Pocket Amp 2V2.

 

Currently comparing to my previous pair, Sennheiser HD 518s  (which I bought new in November, but they sound really great now also).  Initial impressions in comparing, the highs and mids are not as clear in the 518s, vocal sounded farther away, ....a lot more present in the 650s.  I actually like the bass in the 518s, it seems to have a lot of bass, and I like it in the 650 also...but, I'm not quite sure to my ears how they compare...right now, they seem kind of similar and I notice more difference in the mid-highs?  Anyway, I think it's interesting to put down my initial impression.  

 

Oh, I should put my musical interests:   I play the cello and the piano.   I enjoy listening to classical music, full orchestra, solo instrument, string quartet.   I'm also really into film scores.  Last night I was just at the Hollywood Bowl, for a John Williams concert. I'm a fan of U2, The Police,  Sarah McLachlan, various 80s bands.  So, I'll use the headphones for that, as well as an "all around" headphone, for movies and video games.  So yeah, I'll be going back and reading a lot of the posts in this thread...only  512 pages so far... basshead.gif

 

-Larmeister


Edited by Larmeister - 9/1/12 at 7:46am
post #7664 of 36885

I did get Alan Parson's test disc or whatever it's called, and it matches what the graph above shows. They replay nothing at the limit of hearing, 25Hz very quietly, 31.5Hz quietly, and 40Hz much better. By 50Hz they're ok.

 

Oh well, I guess some D5000 or something will be bought in the future, but I still love the 650s' sound.


Edited by BBBS - 9/1/12 at 4:06pm
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Alan Parsons albums are awesome with the HD650's!

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