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post #7261 of 37370

The HD598 is very, very good in its price range. It can't compete with a properly set up 650 but the 598 shares many of the sonic traits of the 650 while being also beeing a very fun and easy to drive headphone. It's actually very "un-sennheiser-ish" in its "fun-ness" if you pardon the lingo. It has plenty of slam and sounds very good with mainstream pop, rock etc.

post #7262 of 37370
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post

The HD598 is very, very good in its price range. It can't compete with a properly set up 650 but the 598 shares many of the sonic traits of the 650 while being also beeing a very fun and easy to drive headphone. It's actually very "un-sennheiser-ish" in its "fun-ness" if you pardon the lingo. It has plenty of slam and sounds very good with mainstream pop, rock etc.

hip hop maybe? I have 650s now and they're good but I want some more bass, a bit more strength or slam to the sound. I had Beyet DT770 Pros and they were good but I want somethign a bit more overall "better" as in more detailed, higher end.

post #7263 of 37370
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hip hop maybe? I have 650s now and they're good but I want some more bass, a bit more strength or slam to the sound. I had Beyet DT770 Pros and they were good but I want somethign a bit more overall "better" as in more detailed, higher end.

 

XB1000 can be in your interest

I never liked hiphop on 770pro due to its highs.

post #7264 of 37370
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XB1000 can be in your interest

I never liked hiphop on 770pro due to its highs.


I did actually own the XB1000 for 6 months or so and at first I liked them alot for electronica (lots of bass similar to hiphop), then less so, then less so and for the past 2 months I didn't listen to them at all which is why I sold them.

 

They are good with electronica and they have a lot of bass, the problem is just that because they are so easy to drive the bass they have end up beeing extremely slow and non-precise. You can make them thump pretty hard but it's the most unrefined and non-controlled thump I've ever heard. At the end of the day it's just not a well balanced headphone and they can't do faster music styles well either.

 

At the end of the day both the 598 and 650 are serious headphones and the XB1000 is an Ipod toy.

 

Which also was pretty much what was I expected when I bought them in the first place... but the lure of 70mm drivers was strong at the time... rolleyes.gif

post #7265 of 37370
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XB1000 can be in your interest

I never liked hiphop on 770pro due to its highs.

How are they highs in comparison? Too much,. not enough? Low detail, too sharp, thin, what?

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I did actually own the XB1000 for 6 months or so and at first I liked them alot for electronica (lots of bass similar to hiphop), then less so, then less so and for the past 2 months I didn't listen to them at all which is why I sold them.

 

They are good with electronica and they have a lot of bass, the problem is just that because they are so easy to drive the bass they have end up beeing extremely slow and non-precise. You can make them thump pretty hard but it's the most unrefined and non-controlled thump I've ever heard. At the end of the day it's just not a well balanced headphone and they can't do faster music styles well either.

 

At the end of the day both the 598 and 650 are serious headphones and the XB1000 is an Ipod toy.

 

Which also was pretty much what was I expected when I bought them in the first place... but the lure of 70mm drivers was strong at the time... rolleyes.gif

Hmm yeah I'd think that too (iPod toy). I was getting at like D5ks or D7ks, something of that nature.

post #7266 of 37370
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How are they highs in comparison? Too much,. not enough? Low detail, too sharp, thin, what?

Hmm yeah I'd think that too (iPod toy). I was getting at like D5ks or D7ks, something of that nature.

Try Ultrasones for hip hop 

post #7267 of 37370
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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

hip hop maybe? I have 650s now and they're good but I want some more bass, a bit more strength or slam to the sound. I had Beyet DT770 Pros and they were good but I want somethign a bit more overall "better" as in more detailed, higher end.

 

 

The HE-400s might be your ticket.

post #7268 of 37370
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The HE-400s might be your ticket.


Or maybe just a better amp?

 

I don't think it can be stressed enough that the HD650 really needs top notch amplification. If you want more bass and slam the Burson HA-160 will make the most dramatic of changes, I have this exact combo and it's superb - lots of slam, PRAT and deep bass. A second hand HA-160 can be had for very reasonable money.

 

Or buy the new Schiit Mjolnir and go for a balanced cables - about $1000 in total I'd say. Even less if you solder the connector yourself.

post #7269 of 37370

You're crazy if you think suggesting 1000 on a colored amp to get more bass would be a better alternative than getting something like an HE-400 or other headphones that has deeper and more impactful bass than the HD650 by nature.

post #7270 of 37370

This. No matter how I love the hd 650 and the fact I do run it from a 1k amp. Changing the amp with the hope of improvement while there are other cheaper alternatives is plain crazy. 

But oh well we are at head-fi after all. Like a wise fellow said: I'm not suffering from insanity, I'm enjoying every minute of it

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You're crazy if you think suggesting 1000 on a colored amp to get more bass would be a better alternative than getting something like an HE-400 or other headphones that has deeper and more impactful bass than the HD650 by nature.


Edited by xzobinx - 8/1/12 at 6:56am
post #7271 of 37370

Don't think it's crazy to look for a decent amp.  When I went to the Lyr, the bass on the HD650 improved substantially while the bass on the HE400 improved a bit.

Had a chance to compare the HD650 and LCD2 last year at a HeadFi meet.  With a super modded Little Dot tube amp, some people preferred the LDC2 and some the HD650.  It was a toss up.  Bass out of both were increadible. YMMV.

post #7272 of 37370
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

Don't think it's crazy to look for a decent amp.  When I went to the Lyr, the bass on the HD650 improved substantially while the bass on the HE400 improved a bit.

Had a chance to compare the HD650 and LCD2 last year at a HeadFi meet.  With a super modded Little Dot tube amp, some people preferred the LDC2 and some the HD650.  It was a toss up.  Bass out of both were increadible. YMMV.

 

I own 650 and was about to purchase LCD2 hoping it has 'better' sound. Your post makes me think again...

post #7273 of 37370
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

Don't think it's crazy to look for a decent amp.  When I went to the Lyr, the bass on the HD650 improved substantially while the bass on the HE400 improved a bit.

Had a chance to compare the HD650 and LCD2 last year at a HeadFi meet.  With a super modded Little Dot tube amp, some people preferred the LDC2 and some the HD650.  It was a toss up.  Bass out of both were increadible. YMMV.

 

But now, would you say the HE-400 out of the lyr has quantitively less bass impact and extension than the 650 out of the lyr?

post #7274 of 37370
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

Don't think it's crazy to look for a decent amp.  When I went to the Lyr, the bass on the HD650 improved substantially while the bass on the HE400 improved a bit.

Had a chance to compare the HD650 and LCD2 last year at a HeadFi meet.  With a super modded Little Dot tube amp, some people preferred the LDC2 and some the HD650.  It was a toss up.  Bass out of both were increadible. YMMV.

 

Technically LCD-2 is undeniably superior in bass performance though if you look at the measurements. LCD-2 extends down further with more authority and less distortion. HD650 does have excellent bass performance though from my experience, although I feel that with some music it's a bit lacking punch in the low octaves. It's probably my source - I use HM-601 and Fiio E11. redface.gif To be fair, my HE-500 doesn't do much better if at all with this combo either and while HE-500 bass seems to be more defined with better authority, HD650 provides a more realistic impact in the mid and upper bass. However, for listening to any dance, trance, hip-hop and similar music, I much prefer my DT990 Pro which seem to be driven more easily by the HM-601 and provide a tighter, more punchy low end (albeit a tad exaggerated) than both HD650 and HE-500.


Edited by Pianist - 8/1/12 at 11:39am
post #7275 of 37370

Most likely not your source.  HD650 has a good bit of rolloff in the low-end.

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