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post #7156 of 36885
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

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This EQ for the HD650 makes them sound like a different pair of headphones! Hardly slow or mellow sounding at all compared to a flat EQ.... I see what you mean now about them being fast drivers which sound slow because of how they are voiced.

 

This actually makes the low end on the HD650s feel like they're almost "out of control", meaning that there are periods where it sounds loose on the low end. I'd ratchet the EQ from 55Hz through 110Hz just a notch or two down to "smooth" things out on the low end. 

 

On a semi-related note, is there a thread on EQ adjustments people have tried on various headphones while using a PC/Mac source? Would be interesting to play around with different configs for different types of music.

post #7157 of 36885

Well that is my "electronic music EQ" and it is ok most of the time but still a bit (sub) bass shy for me.... For other genres I have the bass a bit lower.

post #7158 of 36885
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Originally Posted by Max F View Post

 

If you can listen to speakers without bothering people - go for them first.  Get your speaker set up done first and then focus on headphones if you need to.  Most of us have headphones as the secondary playback method.  BTW i have the older Monitor Audio bronze speakers which I love.  I did have to EQ them quite a bit for my crazy boomy room.


This is what my hunch was. Thanks mate. Will splash on the BX2's.

 

Cheers

post #7159 of 36885

having tried driving my 650's with a few amps i can agree that the better the amp you have the better they perform, this may sound obvious but the difference seems to be quite large especially when comparing my o2, the hippo cricri and the cmoybb(the o2 the standout leader IMO). I was also able to try out a relatives peachtree audio iNova amp as they seem to be very proud of the headphone amp in this. This offered a more spacious presentation than the o2 however in my opinion the o2 allowed the 650's to become more analytical. Moreover, having the ability to listen to vinyls through the iNova and my 650's was truly phenomenal i often pop round just to treat myself!

i<3my650's

post #7160 of 36885

I'm driving my 650s with Icon HDP, I find this combination really good to my ears. In fact I'm listening to them now, Cassandra Wilson - Glamoured. Sweet!!! happy_face1.gif
 

post #7161 of 36885

Got my first pair of 650s just last week. Got to say, I love these little babies!

 

I'm driving them on an NJC audio amp and DAC (google if you want). It's an extremely high end and well made handbuilt setup, and completely neutral, letting me hear the 650s without any kind of colour to the sound - just the the way I like it.

 

Aside from that, I had originally planned to get them and then sell my 880s to make up the cost... Unfortunately, it seems they do different things well, and I would be better off keeping both. Damn! :D

post #7162 of 36885
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

EQ.png
 

 

This EQ for the HD650 makes them sound like a different pair of headphones! Hardly slow or mellow sounding at all compared to a flat EQ.... I see what you mean now about them being fast drivers which sound slow because of how they are voiced.

 

That pretty much my curve - however, a parametric EQ will handle the curves more smoothly.  Also, for other headphones (not so much the HD650) you can surgically remove upper frequency ringing - see the "how to EQ you headphones thread".  Personally, i don't hear any upper frequency problems with the HD650 - it just needs a little boost up there.

 

Also, remember that the HD650 can only go so loud at sub bass - it's still pretty good for a open headphone.  I haven't tried any of the more expensive new open phones though.


Edited by Max F - 7/18/12 at 4:36pm
post #7163 of 36885

I loved my old HD650's, in some ways more than my new HD800's.

post #7164 of 36885
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Are the HE 400 brighter/more sibilant than the HD650?.. How about the D2000?

 

At the moment I have Denon D2000 and HD650 and although I cannot really afford it at the moment I think I might just keep both for now because they are such a nice combination, the HD650 for all the things i have said previously and the D2000 for the sweet sub bass and exciting sound... The only problem I have with the D2000 is the fact that they actually physically hurt my ears and give me tinnitus.... they have very sharp treble and siblance at times! They are alright for short bursts on certain genres but as an all rounder for music, films and games the HD650 definately wins.

 

I don't think either HE-400 or HD650 is sibilant.  HE-400 has some treble energy that HD650 does not as a result of some carefully placed peaks, but it still, in general, rolls off somewhat at the high end.  I'd say HD650 is tonally the brighter of the two.  Putting HD650 on after listening to HE-400 for a period of time feels kind of weird and bright.  D5k (can't say about D2k but it's the same driver in a different shell), I wouldn't call truly sibilant, but can be rather bright despite the low bass. D5k can be almost as fatiguing as K702.

 

Nobody calls Denons bright headphones because of their low and priminent bass response, but IMO, if you were to cut off the bass they would seem nothing but bright.  I like them for electronic genres, and D5k specifically for acoustic wood genres (solo guitar etc), but not for much else.  D5k is less sharp in the treble than D2k even since it has a higher midrange .

 

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Originally Posted by swimcoleby View Post

having tried driving my 650's with a few amps i can agree that the better the amp you have the better they perform, this may sound obvious but the difference seems to be quite large especially when comparing my o2, the hippo cricri and the cmoybb(the o2 the standout leader IMO). I was also able to try out a relatives peachtree audio iNova amp as they seem to be very proud of the headphone amp in this. This offered a more spacious presentation than the o2 however in my opinion the o2 allowed the 650's to become more analytical. Moreover, having the ability to listen to vinyls through the iNova and my 650's was truly phenomenal i often pop round just to treat myself!

i<3my650's

 

Agreed, HD650 can become surprisingly analytical through that amp. So does HE-400, but HD650 really has the air to make it true.

post #7165 of 36885

I find that the D2000 are bright in the treble and quite sibilant as well at times. I have to EQ the treble down from 5khz upwards and it still hurts my ear drums after a short amount of listening.

post #7166 of 36885

Not only are the Denons somewhat bright in the treble, but also very off timbre.  They render violins and the treble elements of percussion very metallicy or plasticy.  I still consider their bass and lower mids dark though, as they do render the lower mids in that grounded, earthly manner.  Dark and bright, a good example of a u-shaped headphone.  5khz region was something the silver scerened HD650 had too much of for me, man on man were snares and claps really loud on it.

post #7167 of 36885

I like the Denons for electronic music basslines such as trance, drumbass, dubstep etc. That is about all I like them for but they do have a very nice sound for these genres. Although I would prefer the bass a bit tighter and a bit less brightness / sibilance. I like the HD650 or the Shures for everything else....

 

Still not sure if I will keep them or not.... Quite an expensive pair of headphones just for certain genres and the HD650 are hardly cheap either! although they do make a nice combination. Except for the HE400 I really cant find any other headphones which have :

 

a) Good sound quality / soundstage / imaging

b) Good sub bass

c) Nice / non harsh / sibilant treble like the HD650

 

Any suggestions for a pair that sound almost as good as HD650 but with more sub bass that are not the HE400's?


Edited by nicholars - 7/19/12 at 10:59am
post #7168 of 36885
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I find that the D2000 are bright in the treble and quite sibilant as well at times. I have to EQ the treble down from 5khz upwards and it still hurts my ear drums after a short amount of listening.

 

The other problem with Denons is the disastrous earpads.  They're too small, too shallow, and too forward.  They hurt my temples, and squash the driver grille into my ear so that I'm getting blasted by sound.   That's the most fatiguing part of the denons...and the suck-out effect from some of the bass in the semiclosed cup.  My D5k's improved in that regard a lot after getting the Lawton pads...

 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Not only are the Denons somewhat bright in the treble, but also very off timbre.  They render violins and the treble elements of percussion very metallicy or plasticy.  I still consider their bass and lower mids dark though, as they do render the lower mids in that grounded, earthly manner.  Dark and bright, a good example of a u-shaped headphone.  5khz region was something the silver scerened HD650 had too much of for me, man on man were snares and claps really loud on it.

 

FWIW, D5k and I would hope D7k don't have that issue....the treble elements are very natural given the wood cup.  I think that's purely lack of damping in a reflective enclosure that produces that effect on D2k.

 

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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I like the Denons for electronic music basslines such as trance, drumbass, dubstep etc. That is about all I like them for but they do have a very nice sound for these genres. Although I would prefer the bass a bit tighter and a bit less brightness / sibilance. I like the HD650 or the Shures for everything else....

 

Still not sure if I will keep them or not.... Quite an expensive pair of headphones just for certain genres and the HD650 are hardly cheap either! although they do make a nice combination. Except for the HE400 I really cant find any other headphones which have :

 

a) Good sound quality / soundstage / imaging

b) Good sub bass

c) Nice / non harsh / sibilant treble like the HD650

 

Any suggestions for a pair that sound almost as good as HD650 but with more sub bass that are not the HE400's?

HD800? tongue_smile.gif

post #7169 of 36885

Slight problem there with them costing £1000  :(

post #7170 of 36885
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Slight problem there with them costing £1000  :(

 

You missed the joke....I pointed out that they sound almost as good as HD650, but with more sub-bass extension and it isn't HE-400.  Almost as good as a $500 headphone for the $1500 one (or whatever the price in lbs is.)   It was a funny for HD650 fans since with the exception of a few HD650 lovers that did go on to love HD800, many HD650 fans range between feeling ambivalent versus actively hating HD800.  It's a wholly different sound signature tilted much more towards the bright end of the spectrum.

 

For an HD650 fan looking for more bass, HE-400, HE-500, and LCD-2 are the usual suspects to consider.  All of which are notably more expensive except for the HE-400 you wanted alternative options for.

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