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post #7111 of 36888
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Originally Posted by Tone Def View Post

Hey all I have the 650's amped via the headphone out on my NAD 3020 amp. I'm using the stx as my dac. How much higher would the 650's scale with a proper headphone amp say a Bottlehead Crack with the speedball?

 

Thanks

Satisfaction can be had by driving the HD650 from either of them. However if you keep worrying how will it scale with the next best thing then by all means- get it.

 

By the way- I'd rather get a decent solid state for my first proper headphone amp. In any case I'm sure that you will enjoy the Crack just as much.

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Originally Posted by Dionysus View Post

Well Mickey I went ahead and re purchased the HD 650 was all ready to spring for the 700 but couldn't justify the extra money, and based on the appreciation thread you responded to and my past experience with them I am again an owner of the 650. Thx again.

 

Welcome back to the dark side! wink.gif  Your eardrums will thank you for not getting the HD700 (no offense Mickey...but sheesh those things are are spikey.  Not all Sennheiser fans have longed for a Grado with Sennheiser earpads biggrin.gif)

 

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Originally Posted by RudeWolf View Post

Satisfaction can be had by driving the HD650 from either of them. However if you keep worrying how will it scale with the next best thing then by all means- get it.

 

By the way- I'd rather get a decent solid state for my first proper headphone amp. In any case I'm sure that you will enjoy the Crack just as much.

 

It's amazing how preference affects so much.  I was never thrilled with my Micro with HD650, was blown away by Lyr with HD650, O2 is better, on its own, than Micro IMO, but after listening to HD650 for about an hour on my Lyr, and this is with my brightest current tubes, Tungsram PCC88s, which are quite bright and crisp compared to my Mullards and Matsus, I switched to O2.  I was afraid that the Tungsrams were too SS-sounding.  Apparently not.  The moment I plugged into the O2, and throughout the first few songs my general thoughts were "man this sucks.  This really sucks..." O2 is a fine SS amp.  But for my ears, if I were buying an HD650 for the first time and a first headphone amp to accompany it for the first time, I'd look tube/hybrid and not consider looking back unless I was looking at a Phonitor or a Dark Star or something.  There's, to me, a magic between the interaction of HD650 and tube distortion more than most other headphones.

 

I prefer my D5k's on the O2.  I prefer the HE-400 on the Lyr by a wide margin, but I can still enjoy them on the O2 if I choose.  I prefer K702 on the Lyr, but find certain enjoyable attributes with them on O2.  HD650, I can almost say I can't stand them on O2, and yet on Lyr they remain my absolute favorite headphone.

 

I've heard good things about Crack, including some who prefer it to Lyr by a wide margin.  I'd say it was a fine choice wink.gif

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Congrats.. I'm sure that you'll enjoy them!

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Originally Posted by Dionysus View Post

Well Mickey I went ahead and re purchased the HD 650 was all ready to spring for the 700 but couldn't justify the extra money, and based on the appreciation thread you responded to and my past experience with them I am again an owner of the 650. Thx again.
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Hey IEM.. have you actually heard the HD700's through a Lyr (and a warmish DAC)?  It really not as bad as you think. dt880smile.png Trust me, I'm not a fan of Grado. Dollar for dollar, I'll always recommend the HD650 over the HD700.

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

Welcome back to the dark side! wink.gif  Your eardrums will thank you for not getting the HD700 (no offense Mickey...but sheesh those things are are spikey.  Not all Sennheiser fans have longed for a Grado with Sennheiser earpads biggrin.gif)

 


Edited by MickeyVee - 7/16/12 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

Welcome back to the dark side! wink.gif  Your eardrums will thank you for not getting the HD700 (no offense Mickey...but sheesh those things are are spikey.  Not all Sennheiser fans have longed for a Grado with Sennheiser earpads biggrin.gif)

 

 

It's amazing how preference affects so much.  I was never thrilled with my Micro with HD650, was blown away by Lyr with HD650, O2 is better, on its own, than Micro IMO, but after listening to HD650 for about an hour on my Lyr, and this is with my brightest current tubes, Tungsram PCC88s, which are quite bright and crisp compared to my Mullards and Matsus, I switched to O2.  I was afraid that the Tungsrams were too SS-sounding.  Apparently not.  The moment I plugged into the O2, and throughout the first few songs my general thoughts were "man this sucks.  This really sucks..." O2 is a fine SS amp.  But for my ears, if I were buying an HD650 for the first time and a first headphone amp to accompany it for the first time, I'd look tube/hybrid and not consider looking back unless I was looking at a Phonitor or a Dark Star or something.  There's, to me, a magic between the interaction of HD650 and tube distortion more than most other headphones.

 

I prefer my D5k's on the O2.  I prefer the HE-400 on the Lyr by a wide margin, but I can still enjoy them on the O2 if I choose.  I prefer K702 on the Lyr, but find certain enjoyable attributes with them on O2.  HD650, I can almost say I can't stand them on O2, and yet on Lyr they remain my absolute favorite headphone.

 

I've heard good things about Crack, including some who prefer it to Lyr by a wide margin.  I'd say it was a fine choice wink.gif

 

 

How would you describe the Lyrs' sound sig?  I'm listing to the 650's on my B22.  The B22 is pretty forgiving not at all like the GS-1 I use to own it was very revealing.  The 650s sound pretty good in this setup.  Although my source is kinda bright, it balances out pretty good.

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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

Hey IEM.. have you actually heard the HD700's through a Lyr (and a warmish DAC)?  It really not as bad as you think. dt880smile.png Trust me, I'm not a fan of Grado. Dollar for dollar, I'll always recommend the HD650 over the HD700.

 

I know what peaks like that sound like....no thanks... wink.gif   For $1k I'd much rather buy LCD-2 than the treble-happy "detail enhanced" HD700s...  For $1k "not as bad as you'd think" isn't the result I'd want rolleyes.gif

 

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How would you describe the Lyrs' sound sig?  I'm listing to the 650's on my B22.  The B22 is pretty forgiving not at all like the GS-1 I use to own it was very revealing.  The 650s sound pretty good in this setup.  Although my source is kinda bright, it balances out pretty good.

 

I've never heard the B22 so I don't know how to compare it.  I've heard it's good...but I've also heard O2 is similar-ish.   If so, Lyr is very different, though it's signature changes dramatically depending on the tubes you use so there's no one fixed signature.  It's fair to say it's warm-ish since Schiit's SS sections are always warm-ish.  But beyond that it depends heavily on the tube set.  And even my brightest most SS-like tubes, when I then compare it to the O2 SS, sounds much smoother, richer, and more natural to me. 

 

With the Tungsrams (or even the stock GE's) it's kinda-sorta SS type detail  and neutrality but warmer, smoother, fuller, just "more organic" (which HD650 already does so very well.)  Other tubes like my Matsus are very warm, drippy, very "OTL tube amp" like.  They roll off more of the highs but emphasize the mids very nicely that complements the HD650's warm mids. 

 

So the fun thing with Lyr is if you get a small tube collection you can swap your sound periodically.  But definitely it always sounds different than SS as I've learned. 

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Yup.. definitely should have gone for the LCD2v2 - those will be my next cans.  Still say don't knock it until you've heard it. In the mean time, still having fun with the setup.

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post

 

I know what peaks like that sound like....no thanks... wink.gif   For $1k I'd much rather buy LCD-2 than the treble-happy "detail enhanced" HD700s...  For $1k "not as bad as you'd think" isn't the result I'd want rolleyes.gif

 

 

 


Edited by MickeyVee - 7/16/12 at 2:23pm
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MickeyVee our portable setup is identicle. Same hf3/C5 and I have a U2 iPod as well... Great stuff!
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

MickeyVee our portable setup is identicle. Same hf3/C5 and I have a U2 iPod as well... Great stuff!

 

What is the DACMAGIC+ like? How is the headphone amp?

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How does the yulong d100 pair up with the hd650? I don't have an amp or dap and I'm looking to spent max 600 on both.

From what I've read the yulong seems great although it says for 300 ohm phones it only supplies 130mW. Will the amp section of the unit hinder the sound quality or cause overheating? What are my other options?
post #7121 of 36888

For anyone interested in a potential purchase, they are currently priced at $339 new on Amazon.com. Not sure what the reason is for the sudden price reduction but if you were waiting to get these on sale now might be the time.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-650-Headphones/dp/B00018MSNI?SubscriptionId=AKIAJ7T5BOVUVRD2EFYQ&tag=camels-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00018MSNI

post #7122 of 36888
Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm a struggling student and hence, I'm looking to get into tubes on the cheap. It's either this or get a pair of Monitor Audio BX2's. Just wanna make sure that the decision I make nets me the best bang for buck right now cause this will blow my savings. lol Cheers
Edited by Tone Def - 7/17/12 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by Win2012 View Post

Lowest price I find for the Sennheiser HD 650 : $340 .

 

Considering the price has only been trickling down to $424 recently, this is a superb deal.

 

Damn, I hate you. 

Order placed deadhorse.gif 

I wanted a HD700, but with $650 differences, I dont believe the HD700 could justify the cost.

I am search for an amp/dac. Any recommendation?


Edited by haquocdung - 7/17/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by haquocdung View Post

Damn, I hate you. 

Order placed deadhorse.gif

I wanted a HD700, but with $650 differences, I dont believe the HD700 could justify the cost.

I am search for an amp/dac. Any recommendation?

Is this a step sideways or up?

 

If it's up, you're going to love them, I'd venture to guess.

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Originally Posted by disastermouse View Post

Is this a step sideways or up?

 

If it's up, you're going to love them, I'd venture to guess.

From Pioneer HDJ2000, it's definitely a nice upgrade for me in term of experience with a very good price.

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