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post #706 of 36831
and one more thing... the sennheiser hd 650's sounded amazing, esp after about 100 hours of burn in, and i could not see how the akg's could open up w/ more burn time to even come close to the senn, even though the akg was very open and good w/ the mids and uppers; it just lacked low end; and i used a lot of classical violin, as i used to plaly the violin, and the senn just sounded more like music
post #707 of 36831
I've been using the HD650 w/ the WooAudio 6.
And I've been comparing it w/ my IE8, at first the difference is subtle, after I few hours comparing them side by side, I'm now enjoying the HD650. The HD650 is so airy while the IE8 is a bit bass bloated. I like both of them and I'm keeping them
post #708 of 36831
yeah i also looked at the woo audio's amps.... i have never heard one but im assuming they sound very good w/ certain music... what kinds of music are you playing mainly w/ the woo 6 and the senn 650's... i also listen to electronic music sometimes, which i know may not have teh best fidelity.. but have u ever tried the senn 650's w/ the woo 6 versus the benchmark dac1 or something equivalent that was not a tube amp
post #709 of 36831
^ I listen to Rock, Pop, Jazz.
I'm looking for a used HeadAmp GS-1 to compare with the WA6. If can't find one in one week, I'll probably purchase a new GS-1 or a Rockhopper M^3.
I'm still quite new to this Audio world but I'm learning fast
post #710 of 36831
the gs-1 looks pretty sick... i woner how that compares to the amp that is in my dac1hdr taht is on teh way
post #711 of 36831
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Originally Posted by Runkby View Post
but have u ever tried the senn 650's w/ the woo 6 versus the benchmark dac1 or something equivalent that was not a tube amp
Not the Woo 6, but, in my case, a Mapletree Ear+ Purist HD tube amp with some very nice NOS tubes compared to a Purity Audio all-discrete KICAS Caliente SS amp. To my ear, and across all of my music collection - spanning classical acoustic through electronic, with rock, pop, trip-hop, jazz, folk, techno, trance and ambient of acoustic and electronic flavors in between, the Caliente is a better match for the HD650 than the Mapletree, which is saying a lot, since the Mapletree pairs very well with the 650. The Caliente is capable of feeding the 650 more of what is can work so well with: fine temporal transients, huge dynamic range extending from microdynamic subtleties through macrodynamic full crescendos, really competent portrayal of the spatial aspects of the music, and a full, rich acoustic spectral balance. Taken all together, with the HD650, it makes for a credibly natural and lifelike sound. I haven't found the tubes yet which will enable the Mapletree to provide as good a rig partner for the HD650's as the Caliente. For my Grados, I DO prefer the Mapletree, but for the HD650, the Caliente is my favorite by a good margin.
post #712 of 36831
After buying amp, K601 and DAC all within a couple of months, I had decided to postpone any further headphone related purchases.
I should have known better - my HD650 just arrived an hour ago.

I've just spent that hour listening to music (time for movies and games later today) and so far I think I'm actually delighted to feel that I probably won't be throwing out my K601 any time soon.
The sound signatures of the two headphones are really significantly more different than I had expected (and in many ways significantly more so than my K601 compared to my old HD595).
So far - before burn-in obviously (but I'm not really a big "believer" in massive changes through that process, at least not if my previous headphones are anything to go by) - the main characteristics of the HD650 seem to be a very laid back and dark sound with my typical favourite types of music (artists/bands include eg. Tori Amos, The Cardigans, Sarah McLachlan, Suzanne Vega, K's Choice, Bat for Lashes, Lisa Miskovsky, Annie Lennox, and if we have to throw the rare male vocals in there, Springsteen).

At this point I prefer the K601 for those examples - the sound is more open and airy, brighter, much more forward and immediate, the midrange smoother (not that the HD650 seems to be a slouch in that department, but Nina Persson's - The Cardigans - vocals on No Sleep are so silky smooth on the K601 they almost give me goosebumps, while the HD650 doesn't come close to giving me sensation, though I'm sure that has as much to do with the laid back nature of the sound as the midrange).

Where the HD650 won the battle was when I played a few tracks from the movie soundtracks I bought a few days ago (my new indirect approach to "classical" music).
It has immense authority and packs a mean punch in the weighty instrumental tracks from X-Men: Last Stand and Chronicles of Riddick - which means I'm obviously also looking forward to giving them a try in loud and bass heavy action movies and games.
Overall though, it looks like these headphones might need some time to grow on me (but I'm almost certain it will) - unlike the K601 which I felt was an immediate and significant upgrade across the board to the HD595.

And sorry for this somewhat lacklustre description of my experience so far - I'm still lacking the ability to use a hundred fancy words to describe every little detail of a sound signature or experience .
post #713 of 36831
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Originally Posted by Miths View Post
So far - before burn-in obviously (but I'm not really a big "believer" in massive changes through that process, at least not if my previous headphones are anything to go by) -
At this point I prefer the K601 for those examples - the sound is more open and airy, brighter, much more forward and immediate, the midrange smoother (not that the HD650 seems to be a slouch in that department, but Nina Persson's - The Cardigans - vocals on No Sleep are so silky smooth on the K601 they almost give me goosebumps, while the HD650 doesn't come close to giving me sensation, though I'm sure that has as much to do with the laid back nature of the sound as the midrange).
Non believer in burn in you may be, but I think most would agree the 650's mids do change considerably after a period of use. They're never going to catch up with the forward mids of the 601s, but they do change quite significantly.
post #714 of 36831
From a post I made in another cable-related thread:

"Well, I cannot yet compare it to other aftermarket cables, but my HD650s were absolutely transformed by the 10-foot APS V3 with Furutech plug and Cardas connectors. Gone is the bass bloat, upper-midrange muddiness and somewhat dark and congested high end. Female vocals no longer have chestiness and complex passages are very well defined, each instrument easily separable. The overall sound is very well balanced and now approaching my high expectations. Nice job by Apuresound. Expensive but very worth it. It took five weeks to get 'em though... "

Anyone have thoughts about burn-in time for the APS V3 with the 650 (or 600)?
post #715 of 36831
Has anyone confirmed what HD650s are made with? Read a few posts people snapping the headband which made me think more. The HD600 @ HeadRoom are stated to be made with Carbon Fiber. And I've read a few postings about HD650 but nothing definitive. Is just plastic, exotic polymer or carbon fiber?
post #716 of 36831
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Originally Posted by 2wheels4me View Post
Anyone have thoughts about burn-in time for the APS V3 with the 650 (or 600)?
~200 hrs. Definately a long wait but well worth it in the end
post #717 of 36831
My (limited) experience with 650 is that it left me under-whelmed with low-end intensive rock music and electronica ... Like, very restrained(even if neutral sounding) ...
My cheaper Sony mdr-v900 phones were overall more satisfying and visceral than the 650s on that kind of music (via Compass) ... mind you, the Compass is / was still burning in as were the 650s(and sonys) and I just had the stock cables on both ... I just today got my Sony SA-5000's in the mail and there is not as much elegance or grace in this headphone as you have in the Sennheiser 650 ... more detail in mid-range/lower hi-end but ... shrug ... I am listening to live Phish and Trey's vocal is a little *too* close up in my face like i'm almost standing on the stage in front of him ... the Senn's would've set him back quite a bit with less breathyness in the timbre ... (these Sonys need much more burn-in as does my Compass, I should keep listening , let them both blossom ....)

hate to admit but I DO miss my 650's !!! (( I'm going to get another pair I think eventually ...
post #718 of 36831
I have at least 20 sets of headphones within arms reach and have been through more than that already. I am pretty close to saying f#*k it and just selling all but the HD650. Admittedly, most of the others are not at the 650's value/cost tier or however you want to think about it. Some are close-ish though. Until I am able to afford auditioning cans where the HD650 forms the bottom cost bracket rather than the top bracket I think I'm just about done messing around. I value weight and warmth and these do it quite well and don't really fall too short anywhere else.
I've seen plenty of folks advising others to just start by getting 650's and be done with it. Can't really say thats terrible advice.
post #719 of 36831
I love my 650s, I counted about 1000 hours burn-in...I have a burn-in MD of pink noise, some random noise & scales.
Only did 200 hours of 24/7 burn-in, rest it was left on overnight.
post #720 of 36831
I really like the HD650. They are very comfortable once you adjust the headband until the clamp is gone, they have a creamy, full, non-fatuiging presentation. I like the way they give body to vocals. Some never get past their "veil", but if you do, they do many things right. They do need a beefy amp to perform their best though.

Although I now mostly listen to my HD800, I do not see myself selling off the HD650. Call me crazy, but I enjoy them more than the HP-DX1000.
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