Short answer: It's not warmer than Lyr. Long answer: It depends on tubes. Since the Lyr is 1/2 SS, it no doubt uses the same general warmth producing topology as Asgard. The other half of Lyr is tubes, so whatever tube sound you get out of the tubes is dependent on what tubes you're using. The stock GE 6BZ7's are fairly neutral with a hint of warmth, the 6N1Ps are said to be warmer and more "tubey" sounding. And then there's the exotics in the tube market. I have some Mullards, an entry high-end tube on the way...we'll see how it sounds.
You already ordered your asgard, but just for the FYI, I'm actually fond of the stock GE 6BZ7's in the absence of having heard anything better. However, the nature of messing with tubes means sometimes you get a noisy one, or microphonic one, etc. Especially with NOS (old stock sitting around since the 60's or older), there's no way to know. For $10 a tube though the GEs are pretty good. But I had to remove two that were just too noisy.
Thanks! And I've found that the amp itself is allowed to be discussed on here BTW (you can discuss banned member's stuff but not the user themself now apparently). And I mean old news like it had been succeeded by something that' s just overall better but nonetheless I'll look into the DAC1. But, isn't there better overall sound quality to be had over the O2, like the SPL Auditor? Like wouldn't that be the same totally flat SS since it's studio gear, and still be better in the sense that it has more detail, accuracy, soundstage etc? Better jacks, power supply, and I read a review where someone noticed some sibilance (at lower volumes I think, but if I'm wrong whatever it's still sibilance) that they read would go away slowly with burn in.
Would an SPL Auditor be a good successor to the O2, or maybe something from Violetric?
Sure there's better SQ to be had over O2. Auditor and Phonitor are excellent. Among the best. Why stop there, why not buy some Mark Levinson stuff while you're at it? The classic summit-fi $10,000 HD650 rig from years past is always just around the corner. Why not go there? Eventually the question comes down to "what do I want, what do I not want, and what am I willing to pay for it?" If you have the money for an Auditor, go for it. It's highly regarded. Auditor should no doubt measure SLIGHTLY better than O2, and the aesthetics, build, and "handling" (volume pot etc) are sure to be much nicer. But then there's Phonitor....only $1k more! The be-all end-all of neutral analytical amps and every bell and whistle one could ever want in an SS amp. There are a lot of people that would say it's crazy to buy a $2k amp for a $500 headphone. There's also a lot of people who would agree it's a good idea when they hear the headphone is HD650 Same for K702 for that matter. Acix is a big proponent of Phonitor & K702. A $2k amp for a $350 headphone. Then again, he's a studio engineer.
SPL and Violetric make very good studio equipment, and even the designer of the O2 handily states that his only comes close to some of their measurements but that they still measure even better. If you've got the funds and like neutral amps, go for it, I doubt you'll regret it. The only catch is you're paying 5-15x more money for probably 10%, if that, measurable difference. However you're also getting nicer aesthetics, nicer connectors, controls, volume pots etc, so there's more value to it than just SQ difference.
That's the first time you started questioning Headphonia?
My personal favorite is still the HE-400 review where they declare that HD650 still surpasses it on $2k+ rigs, and then in the comments section they state that the two are in different leagues and shouldn't be compared. I'm convinced they blurt out whatever lands in their brain at any moment. But it's still fun to read
I've got the monster Furutech on my HD650 Black Dragon cable and tat will be perfect for the Lyr. I'm finding that I'm using the HE400 mostly with my MacBook Air >> FiiO E17 >> HE400 or even directly out of my iPod Classic so a small, light weight classy looking plug works on them. I have a Moon/BD & Senn 1/4-1/8 adaptor cable but either would add bulk.
My HP system DAC is the Matrix Mini-i and Enigma is awesome for the DAC/AMP combo. I'll be using it as a standalone DAC when the Lyr comes in. Enigma is just incredible on my main system.. OPPO BDP-83 or MacBook Air >> PS Audio DLIII DAC >> Rotel 1560 >> Martin Logan Vista mains & Grotto-i sub.. heavenly.. detailed.. you can hear some of the subtle pings coming out of mid air.
Congrats on your 500th post!!
Makes sense. For me, if I'm using big headphones, Lyr or O2 comes out. If I'm using an ipod/E11, the IEMs come out. Small, light, classy jacks all around
Oooh.....Rotel and Logans....I'm suffering a relapse to my stereophile days.....pardon me while I'm drooling
Thanks! I think I deserve a bonus post-count. My posts in this thread have been 5x the length of normal posts
Well my head-fi friends, I took the plunge. I have some HD650's, Asgard, and Bifrost coming in the mail. Woo woo!
Will the Bifrost come with an optical spdif cable or will I have to go buy one?
Oh, and another question... what cables should I use to go between the bifrost and the asgard. something tells me that going to radio shack and buying cheap rca cables is a no-no.
Congrats on the HD650+Bifrost+Asgard combo! It's as pretty as it is good sounding It should be quite the audio experience coming into something like that. Enjoy the first moments!
No S/PDIF cable is included. No RCA cables are included. Just the power cord. If you're connecting to a toslink-only source you'll obviously go Toslink. If you have a choice of Toslink or coax, I always tend to prefer Coax unless running in a high noise environment like near a computer power supply.
What cables? Now you've done it....you've opened the cable debate flood gates... Honestly, my preference is while I like having high-end headphone cables for whatever coloration I prefer, I prefer simple clean interconnects. Ratshack cables will work just fine. Most would be happy with it. If you want to treat yourself a bit and go with something custom that matches the Schiit stuff aesthetically and performs very well, drop Blue Jeans a line and inquire about custom 6 inch 1805F cables. If you go with regular RCA's it'd probably be $35 or $40 or so for the pair. If you wanted right angle connectors it would probably be $60 or so (right angle costs more.). I actually went through configuring that, but ended up not buying it at the time. I'm running some crazy set of adaptors. I needed y-cables. I have some crazy audioquest bundle with monoprice adapters going on. It's a mess. I may get a Blue Jeans MSA-1 right angle to finish up my setup next year.
I'm running a Blue Jeans 1505F for my digital coax, and an MSA-1 rom my one right angle split to the 1/8 TRS on my O2. BJC isn't as exotic as Moon or Signal, but it's nice studio-grade stuff and the specs are provided as PDFs. No question of them not being neutral.
But for now, radioshack is probably as close as you'll get to good in a brick & mortar store. And no point buying Monster or something....BJC would be cheaper and more "tried & true".