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Originally Posted by bookaboo View Post

The toxic cable was on my short list until I stumbled across a TWag v2 on the for sale forum and snapped it up. As stated on an earlier post, the silver cable made the most noticeable and welcome change of any cable upgrade for the HD650. Sennheiser should ship the Hd650 with a silver cable as stock and they would find it would attract a whole new set of admirers. They could call it the Hd675. biggrin.gif

 

I have both the TWag V2 and the Toxic Cables SPC. Can't decide which I like more, in terms of sonics.

post #6572 of 36881

I think I have made up my mind. These will be my next purchase(will probably buy an amp first)

 

Now, I have two questions. What's a good amp for $200-300. Everything seems to point to the asgard. Is that correct?

 

And should I get a warranty with it? And if I do, how many years should I get the warranty?

post #6573 of 36881

5 year warranty for a schiit amp or dac.

post #6574 of 36881

 

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Originally Posted by Mando323 View Post

I think I have made up my mind. These will be my next purchase(will probably buy an amp first)

 

Now, I have two questions. What's a good amp for $200-300. Everything seems to point to the asgard. Is that correct?

 

And should I get a warranty with it? And if I do, how many years should I get the warranty?

 

Asgard all the way. Fantastic value for the money.

post #6575 of 36881

The Audio-gd Compass is nice too, and it's a combo amp/DAC and it was around $300 or so when it was out, but now it's been replaced, and it'd have to be a used one from somewhere. I can't compare it to its replacements (the FUN I think and then even that has been replaced now I believe), so I can only recommend the Compass, but it's nice. Has good highs for the 650s and the DAC is decent for a starter (at least I think so, for the price, it seems decent, but nothing mind blowing although I use a much better DAC so take that with a grain of salt).

 

I haven't heard the Asgard (or Valhalla) but I've heard good things about it (and the Valhalla) and I don't doubt that it would be a nice choice.

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Originally Posted by Mando323 View Post

I think I have made up my mind. These will be my next purchase(will probably buy an amp first)

 

Now, I have two questions. What's a good amp for $200-300. Everything seems to point to the asgard. Is that correct?

 

And should I get a warranty with it? And if I do, how many years should I get the warranty?

 

 

post #6576 of 36881

 

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Originally Posted by doco View Post

5 year warranty for a schiit amp or dac.

 

 


I was referring to the HD650's

 

And thanks for the quick replies, guys.

post #6577 of 36881

 

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Originally Posted by Mando323 View Post

I think I have made up my mind. These will be my next purchase(will probably buy an amp first)

 

Now, I have two questions. What's a good amp for $200-300. Everything seems to point to the asgard. Is that correct?

 

And should I get a warranty with it? And if I do, how many years should I get the warranty?

 

I prefer the Asgard with the HD-600, but not the HD-650. For the HD-650 I ended up with the Headroom Micro Amp over the Asgard. It also plays well with my AKG stuff unlike the Asgard.

post #6578 of 36881

 

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Originally Posted by Mando323 View Post

 

 

 


I was referring to the HD650's

 

And thanks for the quick replies, guys.

 

 



2 years

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post #6579 of 36881

 

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Originally Posted by bookaboo View Post

silver cable made the most noticeable and welcome change of any cable upgrade for the HD650.

 

I know it is just me, but I'm not a fan of silver cable for HD650.  I feel like it change vocal tonality.

I like the 'heavier' tonality of full copper cable.

post #6580 of 36881

Silver, copper... it really doesn't matter. 99% of all stock cables are fine and the fancy expensive upgrade cables just look nicer.

There is only one way in designing a cable to get a measurable (existing) sound-change, any thing else is just a placebo, is to solder a resistor to both lines.

Most of the time this is a very bad idea, but if you are aware of the Etymotic line and their 75ohm adapters you should get what I'm saying.


Yes, there are graphs, and it's based on science... while upgrade cables show the same fr-graph, harmonic distortion, same .etc as the stock cables...

Also... did you ever look at the capsule of the HD6XX series and how they connect the cable to the drivers? If you did not yet, give it a try it's delightful.

If you still feel the urge to upgrade your cables, at least directly solder them to the drivers instead of relying on this hilarious tiny copper string.

 

But chances are... they will measure the same (sound the same). You might still like them a lot more, because your brain wants to hear a difference and fools you into believing in snake oil.

Sacrificing a chicken or drawing a pentagram on the back of the drivers will yield the same results though.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post


Again, perfectly put Tilpo. Thing is, I wouldn't post cable impressions of I didn't hear anything. I've A/B'd stock vs. aftermarket cables hundreds of time (literally) and hear a difference. I don't think it's as blown up as everyone makes it out to be, but it certainly isn't nothing.

 

I'm sorry but A/B means nothing unless it is proper blind testing, with a good understanding of the human perception and expectation bias you will surely agree to this.

 

No one has been able to get reliable results in a blind test with cables and no one ever will unless one of the cables is severely wrong or broken in some way. People never like to hear that "it is all in their heads", even though it is the same for everyone.

post #6582 of 36881
While I agree with you two (Jellygoose and roBernd), I don't think discussing this here will have much merit, and it will only lead to derailing this thread.
post #6583 of 36881

How would you rate the improvement in % in upgrading to HD800? And to the Hifiman HE-500?

post #6584 of 36881

 

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Originally Posted by roBernd View Post

Silver, copper... it really doesn't matter. 99% of all stock cables are fine and the fancy expensive upgrade cables just look nicer.

There is only one way in designing a cable to get a measurable (existing) sound-change, any thing else is just a placebo, is to solder a resistor to both lines.

Most of the time this is a very bad idea, but if you are aware of the Etymotic line and their 75ohm adapters you should get what I'm saying.


Yes, there are graphs, and it's based on science... while upgrade cables show the same fr-graph, harmonic distortion, same .etc as the stock cables...

Also... did you ever look at the capsule of the HD6XX series and how they connect the cable to the drivers? If you did not yet, give it a try it's delightful.

If you still feel the urge to upgrade your cables, at least directly solder them to the drivers instead of relying on this hilarious tiny copper string.

 

But chances are... they will measure the same (sound the same). You might still like them a lot more, because your brain wants to hear a difference and fools you into believing in snake oil.

Sacrificing a chicken or drawing a pentagram on the back of the drivers will yield the same results though.

 

 

 

 

Again, that's all subject to debate on the whole cable sound quality thing. There is no hard evidence for Sasquatch, but I know it exists because I've had my own face to face encounter, and that same thing (partially) can be said for cables.

 

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Originally Posted by Jellygoose View Post

 

 

I'm sorry but A/B means nothing unless it is proper blind testing, with a good understanding of the human perception and expectation bias you will surely agree to this.

 

No one has been able to get reliable results in a blind test with cables and no one ever will unless one of the cables is severely wrong or broken in some way. People never like to hear that "it is all in their heads", even though it is the same for everyone.

 

Again, all subject to debate.

post #6585 of 36881

 

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Originally Posted by roBernd View Post

Silver, copper... it really doesn't matter. 99% of all stock cables are fine and the fancy expensive upgrade cables just look nicer.

There is only one way in designing a cable to get a measurable (existing) sound-change, any thing else is just a placebo, is to solder a resistor to both lines.

Most of the time this is a very bad idea, but if you are aware of the Etymotic line and their 75ohm adapters you should get what I'm saying.


Yes, there are graphs, and it's based on science... while upgrade cables show the same fr-graph, harmonic distortion, same .etc as the stock cables...

Also... did you ever look at the capsule of the HD6XX series and how they connect the cable to the drivers? If you did not yet, give it a try it's delightful.

If you still feel the urge to upgrade your cables, at least directly solder them to the drivers instead of relying on this hilarious tiny copper string.

 

But chances are... they will measure the same (sound the same). You might still like them a lot more, because your brain wants to hear a difference and fools you into believing in snake oil.

Sacrificing a chicken or drawing a pentagram on the back of the drivers will yield the same results though.

 

 

 

 


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