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post #6436 of 36844

Maybe you should try concentrating on a specific area of the sound at a time... Instead of just listening to the overall sound... For example concentrate on the bass with the amp and with your laptop soundcard and then you will prob notice a difference

post #6437 of 36844

I would suggest trying just the bifrost and asgard for say a week or two. Then go back to the dac/amp. If you don't hear a difference consider yourself lucky, sell the bifrost and asgard and spend your money on somethign else.

post #6438 of 36844

Get in a quiet room, listen to a 10 second clip to a good quality song (high quality MP3 or FLAC audio file) unplug the headphones from the amp and plug into computer and repeat that same 10 second slip.  The 650s should sound alittle quicker, sharper, and some sections of the music should be heard or more pronounced when listening with the amp. 
 

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Originally Posted by MushyMushroom View Post

Hey guys, it's Mushroom again...Finally got my pair of HD 650 and Schitt Bifrost dac & Asgard amp.  I don't know if it's me but with the headphones plugged into the dac/amp and with the headphone directly connected to my iMac, it sounds pretty much the same.  I also have a cheapy pair of in ear headphones that came with my windows phone 7.  With the in ear directly connected to the computer and with the HD 650 in directly, I can tell the difference, the in ear sounds muffle and not as clean, so I guess that part seems correct.  

 

The connection from the Mac to the dac is through toslink.  Maybe I just can't hear the difference between amp and no amp.



 

post #6439 of 36844

I'll try that mac336, hopefully I can hear a difference.  I have been listening to some high quality flac files.  I tried listening to Billie Jean from Michael Jackson, thought maybe the beginning thumps from the song would sound more pronounce, but it sounds exactly the same without or without the amp.  

 

I'm sure there's a difference, I just don't know the difference I am looking for.  Sounds pretty good both ways. confused_face.gif

I am going to keep the schitt amp and dac though, they look nice and I'll use it.  Maybe in the future my ear will get accustom to the sound of it and hear the difference without them.

 

A simple question, does the RCA audio cable matters?  I just picked up a cheap $9 pair at Walmart.

post #6440 of 36844
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Originally Posted by MushyMushroom View Post

A simple question, does the RCA audio cable matters?  I just picked up a cheap $9 pair at Walmart.


 

That depends on who you ask but there's no general consensus on it. I have some $4 or so RCA cables from monoprice or somewhere.

post #6441 of 36844
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

I'm not really the biggest fan of using the HD650 for trance. The phone is a bit slow for me when I listen to trance.



I wouldn't call them "slow" but I just don't think that any set of open cans compares with a good set of closed ones when it comes to trance or any kind of electronica. I just got my hd650's this week and I'm loving them but I use them for mostly indie rock, acoustic etc... and they're amazing for that. I especially enjoy them for live performances. They're a beautiful set of headphones... but comparing them to my (relatively inexpensive) set of senn hd380's, they probably lose when it comes to electronica just because of the lack of bass impact. 

 

I've never heard the Ultrasone pro 900 or Denon D7k/5k but if I was going to spend a lot of time listening to electronica, I think that's the direction I'd go.

post #6442 of 36844
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Originally Posted by Bonobo Loco View Post



I wouldn't call them "slow" but I just don't think that any set of open cans compares with a good set of closed ones when it comes to trance or any kind of electronica. I just got my hd650's this week and I'm loving them but I use them for mostly indie rock, acoustic etc... and they're amazing for that. I especially enjoy them for live performances. They're a beautiful set of headphones... but comparing them to my (relatively inexpensive) set of senn hd380's, they probably lose when it comes to electronica just because of the lack of bass impact. 

 

I've never heard the Ultrasone pro 900 or Denon D7k/5k but if I was going to spend a lot of time listening to electronica, I think that's the direction I'd go.

I dont think they are slow either...they really are amp dependent, not really BUT REALLY dependent on a high quality amplifier...I have not found single ended amps satisfying.... I only like the HD650 balanced, I use the HD650s with the PB1 (IBASSO)
 

 

post #6443 of 36844
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Originally Posted by MushyMushroom View Post

Hey guys, it's Mushroom again...Finally got my pair of HD 650 and Schitt Bifrost dac & Asgard amp.  I don't know if it's me but with the headphones plugged into the dac/amp and with the headphone directly connected to my iMac, it sounds pretty much the same.  I also have a cheapy pair of in ear headphones that came with my windows phone 7.  With the in ear directly connected to the computer and with the HD 650 in directly, I can tell the difference, the in ear sounds muffle and not as clean, so I guess that part seems correct.  

 

The connection from the Mac to the dac is through toslink.  Maybe I just can't hear the difference between amp and no amp.



If it's crap low resolution MP3 I'm not surprised.

 

If it's high quality uncompressed I am.

 

post #6444 of 36844
Quote:
Originally Posted by MushyMushroom View Post

Hey guys, it's Mushroom again...Finally got my pair of HD 650 and Schitt Bifrost dac & Asgard amp.  I don't know if it's me but with the headphones plugged into the dac/amp and with the headphone directly connected to my iMac, it sounds pretty much the same.  I also have a cheapy pair of in ear headphones that came with my windows phone 7.  With the in ear directly connected to the computer and with the HD 650 in directly, I can tell the difference, the in ear sounds muffle and not as clean, so I guess that part seems correct.  

 

The connection from the Mac to the dac is through toslink.  Maybe I just can't hear the difference between amp and no amp.


Your Mac may have better than average onboard audio, and a high impedance headphone like the HD650 is easy to drive as long as it is loud enough without any clipping. So, it is not necessary a problem with your hearing - like some claim above - that it does not sound better to you with the expensive Schiit products.

 

post #6445 of 36844
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Originally Posted by Bonobo Loco View Post

I wouldn't call them "slow" but I just don't think that any set of open cans compares with a good set of closed ones when it comes to trance or any kind of electronica. I just got my hd650's this week and I'm loving them but I use them for mostly indie rock, acoustic etc... and they're amazing for that. I especially enjoy them for live performances. They're a beautiful set of headphones... but comparing them to my (relatively inexpensive) set of senn hd380's, they probably lose when it comes to electronica just because of the lack of bass impact. 

 

I've never heard the Ultrasone pro 900 or Denon D7k/5k but if I was going to spend a lot of time listening to electronica, I think that's the direction I'd go.


I don't know if there's a correlation between closed headphones and trance although the few closed cans I have owned for my home setup were good for trance in my modded T50RP and when I had a FA003. However I do enjoy the HD650 for genres such as jazz, acoustic, etc. Although I don't feel trance need a huge amount of bass impact like that of a bass monster but it just needs a well textured bass with good bass extension. I do like the bass of the HD650 but it's mostly mid bass for me. I do like them although the squeaking drives me mad but they are quite good for most of what I listen to.
 

 

post #6446 of 36844
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Originally Posted by stv014 View Post



Your Mac may have better than average onboard audio (like the one tested here), and a high impedance headphone like the HD650 is easy to drive as long as it is loud enough without any clipping. So, it is not necessary a problem with your hearing - like some claim above - that it does not sound better to you with the expensive Schiit products.

Yep, as long as it get's loud enough without clipping and has reasonably low distortion, even laptops can be transparent sound sources. Good sound quality is very cheap, especially if mass produced. It actually surprises me that so many people buy expensive DAC's, when they don't have that much of a lower noise floor than decent sound cards (like those built into the macbooks).
Also if something is measured to have a very low (<90dBFS) noise floor and <0.1% THD under normal operation then it will sound exactly the same as all other sources with the same (or even better) properties as far as science is concerned.

I guess it's just a little hard to believe that spending a couple hundred dollars does not warrant much of an improvement, hence the magic words buyer's remorse and expectation bias color our judgement.
post #6447 of 36844

It could b


 

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Originally Posted by John Willett View Post



If it's crap low resolution MP3 I'm not surprised.

 

If it's high quality uncompressed I am.

 


 

It could be as simple as not being "golden eared" enough, it could be a better than average onboard sound as stv014 suggested, or there could be a few other issues:

 

The quality of the recordings: I believe you said you're using FLAC (Mushroom), so that part should be ok.  When you ripped it did you do a straight rip including "paranoia" or whatever re-scanning error correction tech your ripper has?  Are you sure you didn't have any plugins or utilities modifying, normalizing, or doing something to the audio at all?  Sometimes people don't know what they used when ripping and they end up with a fairly unpure rip.

 

What software player is being used?  What sound "drivers" etc?  I'm not a Mac person so I can't help much here, but in the Win & Lin world, you absolutely MUST bypass the software mixer for your player or driver (ASIO, kernel streaming, whatever the Mac/BSD variant of that is.) otherwise the mixer has a habit of doing some conversions that can alter the sound. 

 

Also you're using Toslink?  Or USB?  In either case, for both those protocols be sure you have a decent cable.  I'm not a promoter of audiophile cabling, it's silly.  But there's a difference between quality cable and $300 audiophile snake-oil treated cables. The old "digital is just ones and zeroes so it doesn't matter" is myth (there's a lot more discussion about that in the Bifrost thread from a month or so ago, and much more in the Sound Science forum.)  I'd actually be MORE concerned with the quality of a digital audio cable than that of an analog cable (within reason.)  USB especially, but there's a lot of garbage plastic fiber out there in cheap toslink cables.  A reasonably priced fairly rugged cable would be from Blue Jeans.  It's plastic, not glass, but it's better than most plastics and won't break the bank. That may or may not be it, and  won't promise break-through sound, but it's amazing how much cheap fibre can drop packets.  Assuming the toslink transmitter isn't of poor quality.

 

I haven't owned Agard, but I've run HD650 out of PC (2 different sound cards), AVRs, a Headroom amp and a Lyr.  The Headroom and the AVR were about par.  Both were superior to the PC.  Lyr took it to a whole new level, and not in a subtle way (of course Lyr also fried my 650's but that's the result of a defective unit with a weird capacitance issue, not the nature of the amp itself! I have a second one that doesn't exhibit the defect symptoms, but I misunderstood the symptoms before it was too late.)  Assuming the software player was in good shape. PC is a lousy source sometimes because there's so many variables that can edit your audio such as the mixer. It pays to spend the time to examine what you're using and what settings are/aren't in use.  IF you want a comparison, find a decent average CD/DVD player with digital out (coax preferably, but you'd need a cable, optical will do in a pinch),  rig it to the Bifrost/Asgard, and give it a listen.  Same CDs you're listening to the ripped version of.  If it sounds better to you there, then you have a software/cable thing going on to resolve on the PC/Mac.

 

If you don't notice a difference, congrats, you won't be running in circles and spending fortunes trying to fix all the "problems" with your audio until its right like most of us here.  If you do notice a difference, you have more troubleshooting to do on the computer side, and many more expensive upgrades ahead once addiction sets in.  Enjoy!


Edited by IEMCrazy - 4/11/12 at 6:55am
post #6448 of 36844

Thinking of my wallet rolleyes.gif I really like the tube sound of continental but my wallet didn't allow me maybe with 200$ cheaper maybe ...tongue.gif
 

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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post



Why the roll of the eyes? wink.gif I think it's a pretty good setup. I'll have a review coming in the next few weeks. smile.gif



 

post #6449 of 36844
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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post


Also you're using Toslink?  Or USB? 



He said Toslink.

 

post #6450 of 36844

I'm looking for a cheap replacement cable for my HD650s, is there anything around the £20 mark or should I just get the stock cable?

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