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I'd take an unamped HD650 over an M50 or MS-1i (I loved this headphone) every time. That KSC75 must be one special headphone.

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Originally Posted by Leo888 View Post

Hi, would really appreciate any feedbacks on how 's the Fiio E17/E9 combo with the HD650. I know it's not the best but right now I only have budget to upgrade to a decent DAC from my E7. Hopefully you guys with experience can give me some insight. Many Thanks.



Hi guys, thanks for chipping in. Appreciate that. My objective is taking it a step at a time to upgrade my system. So far, the E9 has been serving my needs quite well but of course there are better gears out there which will have to come later. I've just recently place my order for  the Heir Audio 8.A thus remaining budget will be going into a DAP for portable use and a good value USB Dac for my home setup. I feel that the weakest link is the E7 in my current setup thus looking for advice to replace the E7 before moving on to the amp in the near future. So guys, any suggestion will be greatly appreciated to help me complete my setup. Many thanks.

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Probably the HRT StremerII it's 149 dollars. I own the StreamerII+ among others and it stands up well against more expensive dac's, if you just need a basic dac for headphone listening, the StreamerII is the best bang for your dollar I can think of. I'd agree the E7 is your weakpoint. What kind of dap are you looking at?
 

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Hi guys, thanks for chipping in. Appreciate that. My objective is taking it a step at a time to upgrade my system. So far, the E9 has been serving my needs quite well but of course there are better gears out there which will have to come later. I've just recently place my order for  the Heir Audio 8.A thus remaining budget will be going into a DAP for portable use and a good value USB Dac for my home setup. I feel that the weakest link is the E7 in my current setup thus looking for advice to replace the E7 before moving on to the amp in the near future. So guys, any suggestion will be greatly appreciated to help me complete my setup. Many thanks.



 

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Probably the HRT StremerII it's 149 dollars. I own the StreamerII+ among others and it stands up well against more expensive dac's, if you just need a basic dac for headphone listening, the StreamerII is the best bang for your dollar I can think of. I'd agree the E7 is your weakpoint. What kind of dap are you looking at?
 



 

Hi there, not sure which DAP at the moment (most probably a stand alone player with a neutral/natural SQ and I prefer to travel lite) until I get hold of the 8.A and get to know it's sound signature. But will not rule out something like a portable USB Dac/Amp to drive the 8.A (if no suitable stand alone DAP) and at the same time serves as a DAC for the home setup. Have also thought about the HRT and seems to be a very good choice but really hope for something that can kill 2 birds with one stone if it's needed. Any other suggestions for good DAP and DAC would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.
 

 


Edited by Leo888 - 3/23/12 at 4:16am
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Just wanted to post in this thread for the appreciation of my HD 650.

 

I only recently got into this hobby but I love my HD 650. I was using HD 448 before and it was quite a big improvement.

 

As for the posts above, if you are looking for portable/transportable amp powerful enough (and relatively cheap) try the O2 amp. When I tried it, it certainly amped the headphone way better than e7 I had. I haven't heard other portable amps so I can't comment on others but O2 amp seemed to have little difference when it was plugged to the wall or when it was running on the battery power.

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Is there anyone who constantly listens to HD650 without an amp?

For budget and convenience reasons, I'd like to use HD650 without the burden of amps.

 



I too have used the HD650 with an iPhone, and thought it sounded terrible. The HD650 is one of those headphones that just really depends on a good amp and a good source.

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As for the posts above, if you are looking for portable/transportable amp powerful enough (and relatively cheap) try the O2 amp. When I tried it, it certainly amped the headphone way better than e7 I had. I haven't heard other portable amps so I can't comment on others but O2 amp seemed to have little difference when it was plugged to the wall or when it was running on the battery power.



I've heard the O2 doesnt drive the 650's at full potential. 

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HD650 is pretty easy to drive.  I barely have to turn the volume pot on my little dot past where my Denons' usual volume is for the HD650.  I think there might be a misunderstanding between driven and having better coloration/components or build quality within the amp itself, but I havn't tried the O2 personally myself.  


Edited by TMRaven - 3/23/12 at 5:04pm
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I've heard the O2 doesnt drive the 650's at full potential. 


From an objective standpoint, it certainly has sufficient current and voltage swing to do so.  "Full potential" is a subjective concept though, and some of us enjoy, for example, the coloration added by tubes.

 

I'm still in the midst of building my O2, but my guess is that I will still prefer my modded Crack at the end of the day with full impedance phones, despite the *perfect* (from an audible threshold) measurements of the O2.  We shall see.   

 

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I'm still in the midst of building my O2, but my guess is that I will still prefer my modded Crack at the end of the day with full impedance phones, despite the *perfect* (from an audible threshold) measurements of the O2.  We shall see.   

 



I would like to know once you try your 650's with the O2 then. Maybe a quick comparison against the crack? wink.gif

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The HD650 sounds great when patched directly into my MacBook Pro's headphone jack. I've never bothered trying it "un-amped" from my iPod touch because the long cord and the need to use a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter is cumbersome.

 

The HD650 responds very well to better components. There's too much emphasis here on amps though and little regard for upstream gear and quality of source. Some of you are overstating things, and may be scaring off potential HD650 owners with hyperbole.

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The HD650 sounds great when patched directly into my MacBook Pro's headphone jack. I've never bothered trying it "un-amped" from my iPod touch because the long cord and the need to use a 1/4" to 1/8" adapter is cumbersome.

 

The HD650 responds very well to better components. There's too much emphasis here on amps though and little regard for upstream gear and quality of source. Some of you are overstating things, and may be scaring off potential HD650 owners with hyperbole.


I agree with this. Although the HD-650 deserves a very good amp they still sound great with even minor amping.

 

What made me a believer of this bold comment is that last week I sat there listening to my HD-600 through a crappy (really isn't) $40 Xi-Fi Go Pro for hours. Couldn't believe how good it sounded! Didn't do any A/B comparisons, but I had very few complaints.

It's a cheap DAC and still better than most portable players I think. With my HD-598 and HD-600 it was far better than listening from a portable player or even with a LOD cable and E5. Maybe even better than with my Airhead.

 

I'd probably have a good or decent DAC FIRST over an expensive amp with specific headphones. Of course some DACs are not very good. Price doesn't mean much. I actually prefer this X-Fi Go to the E7 and Nuforce Icon Mobile. Weird.

 

 

 

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Besides budget and convenience reasons, I also suspect amps may distort original signals.

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After having sold my HD650 2 years ago and regretting it ever since, I've finally rejoined the camp.  Enjoying the sweet music emanating from my HD650.  atsmile.gif


Edited by peanuthead - 3/29/12 at 10:57am
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You're probably correct, at least for you. As far as the O2 driving the HD650, it depends on the power supply, I have no idead why jds labs sells it with the optional power supply of 12v 200ma, far better to order one from mouser, say 16 v, 500 ma. It will drive the HD650 every bit as good as the asgard.  It's not the perfect match, I just can't think of anything better for under 200 dollars.  The crack is another special amp for the money. Commercial amps can't match it.  And powerful tube or hybrid amps seem to do well with the 650's. Although several ss amps are very good. The great thing about the 650 is if you have a good match for them, it will very likely be a great match for the HD800. I don't think the HD800 is enough of of an upgrade personally. The 650's can be tuned up with the right sources. amp, and cables and truly shine.

 

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From an objective standpoint, it certainly has sufficient current and voltage swing to do so.  "Full potential" is a subjective concept though, and some of us enjoy, for example, the coloration added by tubes.

 

I'm still in the midst of building my O2, but my guess is that I will still prefer my modded Crack at the end of the day with full impedance phones, despite the *perfect* (from an audible threshold) measurements of the O2.  We shall see.   

 



 

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