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Originally Posted by kmj2587 View Post


I have a NuForce ICON HDP that I use with my HD 650s and I enjoy it.  I lack the substantial experience and/or knowledge base with DACs/amps to really understand whether or not it's a good pairing, but it doesn't sound terribly different from the ASUS Xonar Essence ST it replaced.  From what I've read though, it seems that the HDP is a better DAC than it is an amp.

 

I've also been looking at tube amps since I see "Senns love tubes!" repeated so often in different places around here.  So far I've been looking at the Schiit Lyr, but I'm kind of afraid it will fry my lower impedance cans.



Ha, Im pretty much in the exact same boat as you are. I have the Xonar ST and think it sounds pretty darn similar to my HDP. Which is a good thing to me as that means what I hear on my computer matches what I hear on my HDP. And I too have read the same about the DAC being the "better part" of the HDP. AND I have been considering a tube amp as well and have been thinking about the Lyr or the Crack. I dont intend to use any of my amps/dacs with anything but high impedance headphones though, so Im good there. Someday I will probably pick up a pair of Denon D5000's too just to have a nice set of closed ear cans, and since they are low impedance Im not sure what Im going to drive them with yet.

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Currently going back and forth between and HD 650 + schiit lyr combo. Or getting an HD 800 + saving up for an amp to match it.

 

I'm kind of leaning 800 just for the fact I have the HD 600 and had tried the LCD. My fear is the 650 won't be different enough in sound. While 800 is a big investment would be more of a venture into a new sound for me.

 


Edited by satanigatan - 3/1/12 at 1:13am
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As I mentioned, the 800 sounds very different from the 650, you gotta decide what kind of sound you are after and on this I am afraid no one can help you.
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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I thought warmer = more smeared mids/midbass and more rolled of highs the warmer you went...??
 



 


All I can say is listen to the HD 700 for yourself.

 

Compared to the HD 800 I found that the 700 had a "warmer" sound, but it was also a little brighter in the top end and less revealing - but also a good step up from the 600 and 650.

 

 

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Yeah, I understand.

 

I guess I was just talking out loud to myself. Sometimes it helps to think it out, before purchasing. I guess my only fear is, I hear so many people saying the HD-800 sound awful without proper amplification (without $1,000 + amplification). And I'm wondering, would it REALLY sound bad, or is it just that, it doesn't sound 100% or full, or at its best without it. There's a difference. 

 

If it's going to sound awful. I would almost just rather get a mid-amp and something like the 650, and just have that hold me over for a year, when I can buy the HD-800 + a great amp all at the same time. Vs having the HD-800 sounding really awful for 3-4 months while I save up. 

 

I guess I'm probably being irrational here. And should just wait. 
 

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Originally Posted by Navyblue View Post

As I mentioned, the 800 sounds very different from the 650, you gotta decide what kind of sound you are after and on this I am afraid no one can help you.


 


Edited by satanigatan - 3/1/12 at 10:41am
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I count the hd650 AND hd600 as two headphones I am very familiar with.  I've never heard either though via balanced setup though.  Anyone know if the hd650 scales better than hd600 balanced or if they would be roughly the same in the end in terms of balanced benefit.

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Originally Posted by satanigatan View Post

Yeah, I understand.

 

I guess I was just talking out loud to myself. Sometimes it helps to think it out, before purchasing. I guess my only fear is, I hear so many people saying the HD-800 sound awful without proper amplification (without $1,000 + amplification). And I'm wondering, would it REALLY sound bad, or is it just that, it doesn't sound 100% or full, or at its best without it. There's a difference. 

 

If it's going to sound awful. I would almost just rather get a mid-amp and something like the 650, and just have that old me over for a year, when I can buy the HD-800 + a great amp all at the same time. Vs having the HD-800 sounding really awful for 3-4 months while I save up. 

 

I guess I'm probably being irrational here. And should just wait. 
 



 


The HD 800 are very neutral and revealing headphones (that's why I use them for editing and mastering CDs) so they will show up any weakness in the chain.

 

Having said that - personally I would use the HD 800 on a cheaper amp while they run in and I save up for a better amp, rather than getting cheaper headphones and then spend more money to upgrade later.

 

 

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Thanks for the reply.

 

I actually don't mind these being a bigger investment either. So it's kind of cool working my way up, and building a set up around these. That's also appealing to me. I guess it all just comes down to the sound. If I order these through Amazon, I have 30 days to try them out and send back. My friend also has a Woo amp. So I guess I could also audition them on that as well, to make up my mind.

 

I think this is also for the best, considering I already have an HD-600/LCD-2 So the HD-800 should offer me a different sound. 

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The HD 800 are very neutral and revealing headphones (that's why I use them for editing and mastering CDs) so they will show up any weakness in the chain.

 

Having said that - personally I would use the HD 800 on a cheaper amp while they run in and I save up for a better amp, rather than getting cheaper headphones and then spend more money to upgrade later.

 

 



 

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Originally Posted by satanigatan View Post

Yeah, I understand.

 

I guess I was just talking out loud to myself. Sometimes it helps to think it out, before purchasing. I guess my only fear is, I hear so many people saying the HD-800 sound awful without proper amplification (without $1,000 + amplification). And I'm wondering, would it REALLY sound bad, or is it just that, it doesn't sound 100% or full, or at its best without it. There's a difference. 

 

.......

 

Satanigatan - my advice would be that you don't let the amp/dac elitists scare you away from the HD800's.  Although I still love my HD650's dearly (and listen to them daily at work), the HD800's are a major step forwards, and this is evident even out of the unexceptional HP jack on my Marantz HTR.

 

Even discounting the paid shills, many head-fiers seem to feel the need the justify the big money they have spent on top of the line amps and dacs by creating a mythology that the HD800 must be paired with top dollar components.  Some of these products are, indeed, excellent (e.g. the Woo 5), but they certainly are not required to enjoy the many sonic traits that make the HD800's so special (soundstage, clarity, detail, speed, etc.).  

 

The slighly modded bottlehead crack, for example, that I use in my home rig, is cheap and sounds excellent with the HD800's.  Chris Martens, of Playback, and Steve Guttenburg appear to agree with my assessment: "There’s real value in each of these creative designs, though a personal favorite is the entry-level Crack, which sounds much better than it has any right to for just $219. My friend Steve Guttenberg of Audiophiliac/CNET fame tells me that the Crack works spectacularly well with potentially tricky headphones such as Sennheiser’s HD-800, giving them a desirable touch of warmth, harmonic richness, and all-around 'life.' "  (http://www.avguide.com/blog/can-jam-rmaf-2011-report-part-1?page=1 )

 

 

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Originally Posted by John Willett View Post

 

Having said that - personally I would use the HD 800 on a cheaper amp while they run in and I save up for a better amp, rather than getting cheaper headphones and then spend more money to upgrade later.

 


100% agree if the HD800's are reasonably within your reach, without sacrificing necessary essentials.


Edited by skeptic - 3/1/12 at 11:49am
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Thanks so much guys. I'm going to be ordering the HD-800s this week. I'll let you know my impressions. Very excited. :) 

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Congrats!  We'll look forward to your comments!

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Originally Posted by satanigatan View Post

Thanks so much guys. I'm going to be ordering the HD-800s this week. I'll let you know my impressions. Very excited. :) 

I'm jealous.

I wish I had a flagship can. Good luck with your purchase.
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Originally Posted by satanigatan View Post

Yeah, I understand.

 

I guess I was just talking out loud to myself. Sometimes it helps to think it out, before purchasing. I guess my only fear is, I hear so many people saying the HD-800 sound awful without proper amplification (without $1,000 + amplification). And I'm wondering, would it REALLY sound bad, or is it just that, it doesn't sound 100% or full, or at its best without it. There's a difference. 

 

If it's going to sound awful. I would almost just rather get a mid-amp and something like the 650, and just have that hold me over for a year, when I can buy the HD-800 + a great amp all at the same time. Vs having the HD-800 sounding really awful for 3-4 months while I save up. 

 

I guess I'm probably being irrational here. And should just wait. 
 



 


I think they sound very good through an iPhone, and I'm used to the sound of my rig in my sig.
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I really appreciate all the advice. By the way, just to make it clear, I've been wanting to try the HD-800 for years. It's been something I thought about, and researched for some time now. So it's not an at the whim decision, or something I'm basing just on what you guys say.

 

I just felt like I had to say that, given the recent rumblings with the HD-700 and Mike's reviews over at headfonia. The concerns people had with his review, and it influencing people to pre-order or whatever people were criticizing about. I'm making this decision on my own. :)

 

But I really am thankful for all the advice, and just having a place to talk about this stuff with you guys. I will report back in a week or so with my experience with the HD-800s. Can't wait!

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sneis View Post

I count the hd650 AND hd600 as two headphones I am very familiar with.  I've never heard either though via balanced setup though.  Anyone know if the hd650 scales better than hd600 balanced or if they would be roughly the same in the end in terms of balanced benefit.


According to Mike(Headfonia) the HD650 benefits more on a balanced system than the HD600 does.  He finds a balanced HD650 is just as good as many of the newer flagships.

 

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