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post #5881 of 36851
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

Welp, turns out Bottlehead will email you the parts list and assembly instructions and will mail you a CD copy all for $15. Not bad.

Nice! Glad you were able to get the info you wanted from the source.

I posted a schematic once in the past, while obtaining trouble shooting support with my speedball install, and was informed that policy (at the time) was to avoid publication of a design not really intended to be open source. Sounds like they've relaxed things a bit.

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Edited by skeptic - 2/26/12 at 11:56am
post #5882 of 36851
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

Welp, turns out Bottlehead will email you the parts list and assembly instructions and will mail you a CD copy all for $15. Not bad.


Curious how much cheaper it would be to source your own parts.

I'm more than happy to pay the full price to save time and acknowledge/pay them for their invention/design. For them to raise the price that much, part cost for them must have gone up significantly. Had a chance to talk with Doc and Eileen at last Bay Area meet. Really, genuinely nice people making really cool products empowering the DIY'er.
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Hopefully, I will receive delivery of my Sennheiser HD-650 headphones, the stock cable, and the Moon Audio Blue Dragon headphone replacement cable next week from another Head-Fi member. I did not read this massive thread, but I wanted a tonally balanced, neutral, and accurate pair of headphones with a natural pitch without spending a fortune for the HD-800 headphones. I prefer the Cardas Headphone Replacement cable, but I read that the Moon Audio Blue Dragon is quite nice in its own right. My understanding is that the HD-650 is a warmer and tonally richer version of the HD-600 which suits my sonic priorities just fine. I think that I made the right decision to trade them for my Audio Technica ATH-W5000 "Raffinato" headphones which I found to be too idiosyncratic for long listening sessions. Consequently, I traded them with another Head-Fi member. I think that I am going to find my slice of audio nirvana with the HD-650 and Moon Audio Blue Dragon combination according to my research. I will update this thread once I get them and burn them in which should take about 350 hours or more. I have a top of the line high end audio system at home so I expect superb listening results.

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Sorry if this was asked earlier in the thread but I never saw it: What is the most popular/loved amplifier for these cans?

 

Also, I'm thinking of splurging (after I save for a while... a long while) on some upper level headphones. Do you guys think it would be better to go straight to the HD 700's or to get the HD 650's 1st? Considering I'm still on the relative low end of the headphone price/performance range (Essence ST + ATH 50).

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Originally Posted by captouch View Post


Curious how much cheaper it would be to source your own parts.
I'm more than happy to pay the full price to save time and acknowledge/pay them for their invention/design. For them to raise the price that much, part cost for them must have gone up significantly. Had a chance to talk with Doc and Eileen at last Bay Area meet. Really, genuinely nice people making really cool products empowering the DIY'er.


Good for you. Personally I think the way they instruct one to build that kit looks messy and terrible. Reminds be of 40+ year old electronics with no circuit boards and jumper wires to terminals. Im gonna see if I cant clean it up a bit. And by that I mean make my own PCB for it, find a nicer looking enclosure, research the components used and perhaps use better or similar performing smaller ones, and just try to improve upon the design in general. Thats just part of the hobby for me.


Edited by ben_r_ - 2/27/12 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Cityscapego View Post

Sorry if this was asked earlier in the thread but I never saw it: What is the most popular/loved amplifier for these cans?

 


I use the Grace m903 (recently upgraded from the older m902).

 

The 903 has a very much improved USB connection and DAC, as well as various improvements all round.  There is a pdf review HERE.

 

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Originally Posted by Cityscapego View Post
Also, I'm thinking of splurging (after I save for a while... a long while) on some upper level headphones. Do you guys think it would be better to go straight to the HD 700's or to get the HD 650's 1st? Considering I'm still on the relative low end of the headphone price/performance range (Essence ST + ATH 50).

 

The new HD 700 is a good step up from the 600 and 650, but is not discounted at all.

post #5887 of 36851
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Originally Posted by Cityscapego View Post

Sorry if this was asked earlier in the thread but I never saw it: What is the most popular/loved amplifier for these cans?

 

Also, I'm thinking of splurging (after I save for a while... a long while) on some upper level headphones. Do you guys think it would be better to go straight to the HD 700's or to get the HD 650's 1st? Considering I'm still on the relative low end of the headphone price/performance range (Essence ST + ATH 50).

It all depends on your budget, I think. If you think it's justifiable to buy an HD 700 then by all means do. We have no authority on the value you put on your money.

If you can find a dealer that supports refunds in a reasonable matter you can consider trying them both out and comparing them side by side. If you find the HD 700 worth the extra money over the HD 650, return the HD 650. If not, return the HD 700.

You can also PM members who own both the HD 650 and the HD 700 and ask them personally for their advice. I'm sure they are more than willing to help you out.
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Originally Posted by Linus108 View Post

Kind of bummed I didn't grab these when the prices were lower. I'm using my friends HD-600 while my LCD-2s are being repaired, and I've realized I really like the Sennheiser sound.

 

I wanted to buy one, but they are now $499 Does anyone know if these pair well with the Schiit Lyr? 



My own opinion, for what it's worth, yes, absolutely.  I previously had a Headroom Micro Amp with the upgraded Desktop board.  I thought it was good, but thought that the cans had limitations that made me lean towards upgrading them.   I then tried the Lyr and the difference was night and day.  Much bigger soundstage, more air, smoother sound, tighter bass, less fatiguing.  Those terms can be hyperbole around here, but the most concise way to say it is that the Lyr demonstrated much more control and refinement in the HD650's than the Micro Amp did.  It also removed  my urge to upgrade the cans.  Fantastic pairing.

 

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So from reading this thread I've come to the conclusion for the amp to be either:

Schiit Valhalla
Schiit Lyr

Crack 

 

From these 3 which would give the best sound quality for the HD650 while using the E17 as a DAC? Is the Lyr justify the price completely over the Valhalla? I really want to get into Tubes so i'm leaning towards Valhalla but I keep getting lots of mixed reviews for all. 

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The Lyr is a tube amp too, FYI
 

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Originally Posted by AppleDappleman View Post

So from reading this thread I've come to the conclusion for the amp to be either:

Schiit Valhalla
Schiit Lyr

Crack 

 

From these 3 which would give the best sound quality for the HD650 while using the E17 as a DAC? Is the Lyr justify the price completely over the Valhalla? I really want to get into Tubes so i'm leaning towards Valhalla but I keep getting lots of mixed reviews for all. 



 

post #5891 of 36851
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Originally Posted by AppleDappleman View Post

So from reading this thread I've come to the conclusion for the amp to be either:

Schiit Valhalla
Schiit Lyr

Crack 

 

From these 3 which would give the best sound quality for the HD650 while using the E17 as a DAC? Is the Lyr justify the price completely over the Valhalla? I really want to get into Tubes so i'm leaning towards Valhalla but I keep getting lots of mixed reviews for all. 

 

 

Isn't the Valhalla limited to specific tubes? If you want to get into rolling tubes and also have plans for more demanding cans down the track, the Lyr is a no brainer for the price.

 

post #5892 of 36851
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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

The Lyr is a tube amp too, FYI
 



 

Oh yea I know haha 
 

 

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Originally Posted by AppleDappleman View Post

So from reading this thread I've come to the conclusion for the amp to be either:

Schiit Valhalla
Schiit Lyr

Crack 

 

From these 3 which would give the best sound quality for the HD650 while using the E17 as a DAC? Is the Lyr justify the price completely over the Valhalla? I really want to get into Tubes so i'm leaning towards Valhalla but I keep getting lots of mixed reviews for all. 


Hopefully someone's heard them all and can help you out. I like the Crack, but haven't heard the Schitt amps.
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I haven't heard the schiit amps either, but I stumbled on a few comments that may or may not prove useful.

 

-guy no. 1 - like his crack "head and shoulders" above his valhalla: http://www.bottlehead.com/smf/index.php/topic,2073.0.html

 

-guy no. 2 - likes his crack better than his lyr with his 600 ohm Beyers: see http://www.bottlehead.com/store.php?crn=44&rn=446&action=show_detail (ctrl-F for gh0st)

 

-guy no. 3 (skylab) generally ranks lyr > crack > valhalla, but absent detailed reviews.  As a hybrid, the lyr is the only one of the three well suited to driving low impedance phones in addition to high, so hard to say how he would rule if the 650's were the only headphones in question: http://www.head-fi.org/t/402585/review-summary-a-ranking-of-32-tube-and-tube-hybrid-headphone-amps

 

 

post #5895 of 36851
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Originally Posted by AppleDappleman View Post

So from reading this thread I've come to the conclusion for the amp to be either:

Schiit Valhalla
Schiit Lyr

Crack 

 

From these 3 which would give the best sound quality for the HD650 while using the E17 as a DAC? Is the Lyr justify the price completely over the Valhalla? I really want to get into Tubes so i'm leaning towards Valhalla but I keep getting lots of mixed reviews for all. 



 

 

you should check out the lafigaro/dark voice 339. i've been using this combo with cen grand dac for about 2 weeks, and they are awesome. The soundstage and mids are something to behold. during this time people from using graham slee to people who never tried any hifi audio equipment have been throughly impressed. the guy who owned the graham slee even offered me more money than what the amplifier was worth. i politely declined though. my friend who never tried a hifi station had shivers listening to this setup and i guessed i change his view point on music forever. he never knew cans could sound this good, especially that amplifiers affect the SQ so much (he bought hd25 1-II after trying my own hd 25 two days later). actually the first hifi setup i truly tried was listening to norah jones with hd650 and a la figaro 339. it blew my socks off. i still remembered that exact moment how badly i wanted those. half a year later and some other hifi headphones i came to this pleasant combo. i can't describe the sound very much as i am still new to this hifi game, but from what i hear is that the imaging of this combo is very good and soundstage is quite wider and deeper than any other amplifier i tried. the hd-650 becomes more warm in a pleasant way without distrubing the treble, and the bass becomes more full and punchy. its becomes more forward and the details of musical instruments sounds more real. hope this helps. fyi its around 500-600 dollars( i changed my tubes to tungsol though)

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