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post #5011 of 36851

Still very keen to get a pair of these but unfortunately I can't audition them since nowhere locally stock them. The HD25-1 II is one of my all time favourite headphones. Does the HD650 sound anything like these?

post #5012 of 36851
After almost 48hrs with them, I am in love. I caught myself air drumming to some Queens of the Stone Age last night, something I haven't done since I got the D2Ks in September. Music is just so alive now. Even better is I'm running them right out of the integrated amp in my Auzentech Forte, and I'm sure they will only get better when I get my Original Master Amp for Xmas.
post #5013 of 36851

Hey guys, how is it going?

 

 

Well here is the deal. I'm doing some early scouting for my next headphone and ever since I've ever heard of anything Hifi related, the HD650 has been staring me right down the pipeline. It was my "dream phone" for those first few years and I almost idolized it. Well, like 4 or 5 years later, here I am, a lot more educated in the world of headphones and equipment. I have three pairs of headphones and an Amp/DAC. I damn near forgot about how much I always wanted an HD650 and frankly I don't even know why I wanted one then but now that I am ready to spend a good amount of money for my fourth can, I think it's actually time to realistically consider the HD650.

 

My only specification at this point is that it has to be open. I posted in another thread that I wanted it to be circumaural but that disqualifies some Grado pairs like the 325i and I really think I should consider some of those. Anyway, this is about the HD650, not some grados. I think the HD650 would mostly need to satisfy my musical needs which is a big issue for a lot of cans. I listen to a lot of synthy pop and modern R&B. But at the same time I listen to just as much old more acoustic pop(MJ, Prince, Mariah) and higher production instrument based R&B(mint condition, babyface, older Janet). So things like staging, instrument separation, and detail need to coincide with the fun genres too. Now that being said, I also listen to some Rock too but very sparingly in comparison. The bands I do like are pretty diverse but Dream Theater, After the Burial, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers come to mind. Rap and Hip Hop make their way into my ears every now and then but probably less than most things. I like Tupac, Aesop Rock, Jay-Z, Lupe Fiasco, and Kanye a lot though so my artists tend to have better focus on production there as well with more elements to their beats and such.

 

My biggest genre that needs to totally work is choral music. I like a lot of classical in general but choral stuff is my favorite, especially with orchestras as well. Composers like Mack Wilberg(Mormon Tabernacle Choir), Eric Whitacre, Igor Stravinsky, Sergei Rachmaninoff, and Moses Hogan are guys I tend to listen to a lot. My AD700s do decently with these with their large sound stage and detail but I just feel there could be a lot more there and I'm missing something. I'm pretty sure the HD650's should be able to kick ass with this set of genres.

 

So to wrap things up, I know I'm asking a lot out of a can, and maybe I might not be able to fully succeed in gaining this on a $200-450 budget but I think I can get close. As far as tonal balance and all, I've never been too versed in that but the only thing I will say is that I would like nice, natural, and extended bass but not to overpower anything. The AD700's bass is just hollow and the M50s is very nice and thumpy but I don't like sealed headphones much. Do you guys think the HD650 can be the headphone for me?

post #5014 of 36851

I can't comment particularly on the genres, but in terms of the entire lower frequency spectrum, the HD650 is amazing. It sounds very detailed, controlled, natural, and definitely can thump when needed - although it's not a basshead headphone. It sounded pretty natural to me when I got it, coming from bass-weak headphones. Not sure if you care, but if you do like thumping bass, the HD650 handles heavy bass boosts spectacularly as well - it's amazingly versatile IMO.

 

Disadvantage: Despite various rumors to either direction, my HD650 is most certainly laid back -- meaning, frequencies 10khz+ start to drop off considerably to the point where they sound missing in some songs or sound effects. Example: Guns in Battlefield 3 just don't sound right, they sound like a muffled thumping rather than a gunshot "crack" like they're supposed to. Equalization to boost 15khz+ however fixes this completely.

 

One thing that has remained true about the HD650 is it continually wins the test of time for me. It really only sounds better and better as time goes on IMO. I've gone through several pairs of other headphones actually to accompany the HD650, and for some reason I always end up coming back the the HD650. Also the fact that it is so versatile and responds so well to equalization basically makes it my one-size-fits-all headphone.


Edited by ac500 - 11/27/11 at 11:54am
post #5015 of 36851

Finally picked these babies up from when I first saw them 4 years ago, when i got my HD555s :)

post #5016 of 36851
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

I can't comment particularly on the genres, but in terms of the entire lower frequency spectrum, the HD650 is amazing. It sounds very detailed, controlled, natural, and definitely can thump when needed - although it's not a basshead headphone. It sounded pretty natural to me when I got it, coming from bass-weak headphones. Not sure if you care, but if you do like thumping bass, the HD650 handles heavy bass boosts spectacularly as well - it's amazingly versatile IMO.

 

Disadvantage: Despite various rumors to either direction, my HD650 is most certainly laid back -- meaning, frequencies 10khz+ start to drop off considerably to the point where they sound missing in some songs or sound effects. Example: Guns in Battlefield 3 just don't sound right, they sound like a muffled thumping rather than a gunshot "crack" like they're supposed to. Equalization to boost 15khz+ however fixes this completely.

 

One thing that has remained true about the HD650 is it continually wins the test of time for me. It really only sounds better and better as time goes on IMO. I've gone through several pairs of other headphones actually to accompany the HD650, and for some reason I always end up coming back the the HD650. Also the fact that it is so versatile and responds so well to equalization basically makes it my one-size-fits-all headphone.


Well, I do hope to use it for movies and I love war movies so you bringing that up kind of is upsetting frown.gif, does it still satisfy for movies to you? As far as EQ goes, I am not a fan of Equalizing. If the headphone, equipment, and music was supposed to sound that way then it would of already. I just leave my stuff flat through Winamp. I just never found the sound to be anywhere near natural when I messed with EQs but maybe this will change that...I don't know, just can't see myself doing it. What music/artists do you listen to?

 

post #5017 of 36851

The HD650 is amazing for movies, even unequalized. In fact I've found most HD movies (Blu-ray) to be a bit treble forward (I think they boost it for use with speakers), so they work beautifully with the HD650s. 

 

The "problem" is mostly in music and sound effects that are well recorded and has beautiful treble components that are important to hear. The treble is all there, it's just quieter than is natural, and some things will sound "wrong", particularly gunshots. What I mean here is gunshots in real life have a huge treble component to them -- that supersonic "cracking" sound. The HD650s normally smooth this over so you don't really notice it's there, and that's not natural.

 

Fortunately my computer sound card has a good equalizer that sounds no worse than unequalized to me, but I understand your wanting to leave the sound signal as untampered as possible. Sadly I don't have a solution for you if you don't use EQ. Maybe consider HD600s which are supposed to have more treble stock (but I haven't heard these personally).


Edited by ac500 - 11/27/11 at 12:13pm
post #5018 of 36851
Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Dawk20 View Post

Hey guys, how is it going?

 

 

Well here is the deal. I'm doing some early scouting for my next headphone and ever since I've ever heard of anything Hifi related, the HD650 has been staring me right down the pipeline. It was my "dream phone" for those first few years and I almost idolized it. Well, like 4 or 5 years later, here I am, a lot more educated in the world of headphones and equipment. I have three pairs of headphones and an Amp/DAC. I damn near forgot about how much I always wanted an HD650 and frankly I don't even know why I wanted one then but now that I am ready to spend a good amount of money for my fourth can, I think it's actually time to realistically consider the HD650.

 

My only specification at this point is that it has to be open. I posted in another thread that I wanted it to be circumaural but that disqualifies some Grado pairs like the 325i and I really think I should consider some of those. Anyway, this is about the HD650, not some grados. I think the HD650 would mostly need to satisfy my musical needs which is a big issue for a lot of cans. I listen to a lot of synthy pop and modern R&B. But at the same time I listen to just as much old more acoustic pop(MJ, Prince, Mariah) and higher production instrument based R&B(mint condition, babyface, older Janet). So things like staging, instrument separation, and detail need to coincide with the fun genres too. Now that being said, I also listen to some Rock too but very sparingly in comparison. The bands I do like are pretty diverse but Dream Theater, After the Burial, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers come to mind. Rap and Hip Hop make their way into my ears every now and then but probably less than most things. I like Tupac, Aesop Rock, Jay-Z, Lupe Fiasco, and Kanye a lot though so my artists tend to have better focus on production there as well with more elements to their beats and such.

 

My biggest genre that needs to totally work is choral music. I like a lot of classical in general but choral stuff is my favorite, especially with orchestras as well. Composers like Mack Wilberg(Mormon Tabernacle Choir), Eric Whitacre, Igor Stravinsky, Sergei Rachmaninoff, and Moses Hogan are guys I tend to listen to a lot. My AD700s do decently with these with their large sound stage and detail but I just feel there could be a lot more there and I'm missing something. I'm pretty sure the HD650's should be able to kick ass with this set of genres.

 

So to wrap things up, I know I'm asking a lot out of a can, and maybe I might not be able to fully succeed in gaining this on a $200-450 budget but I think I can get close. As far as tonal balance and all, I've never been too versed in that but the only thing I will say is that I would like nice, natural, and extended bass but not to overpower anything. The AD700's bass is just hollow and the M50s is very nice and thumpy but I don't like sealed headphones much. Do you guys think the HD650 can be the headphone for me?



I would say these are the cans for you based on what you listen to. They excel with orchestral and indeed choral music. But, as is nearly always the case with first impressions with these phones- don't expect to be "blown away" first time you try them. A good headphone doesn't draw your attention to anything, just gives you the music how it should be. That said, warmth and soundstage are attributes often mentioned.

 

 

post #5019 of 36851
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

I can't comment particularly on the genres, but in terms of the entire lower frequency spectrum, the HD650 is amazing. It sounds very detailed, controlled, natural, and definitely can thump when needed - although it's not a basshead headphone. It sounded pretty natural to me when I got it, coming from bass-weak headphones. Not sure if you care, but if you do like thumping bass, the HD650 handles heavy bass boosts spectacularly as well - it's amazingly versatile IMO.

 

Disadvantage: Despite various rumors to either direction, my HD650 is most certainly laid back -- meaning, frequencies 10khz+ start to drop off considerably to the point where they sound missing in some songs or sound effects. Example: Guns in Battlefield 3 just don't sound right, they sound like a muffled thumping rather than a gunshot "crack" like they're supposed to. Equalization to boost 15khz+ however fixes this completely.

 

One thing that has remained true about the HD650 is it continually wins the test of time for me. It really only sounds better and better as time goes on IMO. I've gone through several pairs of other headphones actually to accompany the HD650, and for some reason I always end up coming back the the HD650. Also the fact that it is so versatile and responds so well to equalization basically makes it my one-size-fits-all headphone.


Agreed strongly.

 

post #5020 of 36851

I'm not a bass head at all but when it is there and the song/recording presents the power, I definitely need it displayed. Like if I'm watching Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers and a grenade or a bomb gets dropped, I love to be rocked just like it should be. I don't need unreal bass, just what is actually there. If I wanted that, I'd get some XB500s(which I want for fun L3000.gif)

post #5021 of 36851

If you ever consider getting XB500s or XB700s for bass fun, and you have HD650s, my recommendation is: DON'T. I tried XB700s a while back, and compared versus bass-boosted HD650s. The boosted HD650s were superior to the XB700s in every way, and could produce such powerful slamming / thumping / rumbling bass, it made the XB700s sound bass-weak in comparison. And of course, even with massive equalization, the HD650s were still a league beyond the XB700 in detail, clarity, and soundstage overall throughout the rest of the sound spectrum.

 

> Like if I'm watching Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers and a grenade or a bomb gets dropped, I love to be rocked just like it should be

 

This is exactly my experience with the HD650s. I was watching a HD action movie a while back, and I was continually impressed throughout the movie how realistic and perfect the explosions sounded. 


Edited by ac500 - 11/27/11 at 12:45pm
post #5022 of 36851
Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Dawk20 View Post

Hey guys, how is it going?

 

 

Well here is the deal. I'm doing some early scouting for my next headphone and ever since I've ever heard of anything Hifi related, the HD650 has been staring me right down the pipeline. It was my "dream phone" for those first few years and I almost idolized it. Well, like 4 or 5 years later, here I am, a lot more educated in the world of headphones and equipment. I have three pairs of headphones and an Amp/DAC. I damn near forgot about how much I always wanted an HD650 and frankly I don't even know why I wanted one then but now that I am ready to spend a good amount of money for my fourth can, I think it's actually time to realistically consider the HD650.

 

My only specification at this point is that it has to be open. I posted in another thread that I wanted it to be circumaural but that disqualifies some Grado pairs like the 325i and I really think I should consider some of those. Anyway, this is about the HD650, not some grados. I think the HD650 would mostly need to satisfy my musical needs which is a big issue for a lot of cans. I listen to a lot of synthy pop and modern R&B. But at the same time I listen to just as much old more acoustic pop(MJ, Prince, Mariah) and higher production instrument based R&B(mint condition, babyface, older Janet). So things like staging, instrument separation, and detail need to coincide with the fun genres too. Now that being said, I also listen to some Rock too but very sparingly in comparison. The bands I do like are pretty diverse but Dream Theater, After the Burial, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers come to mind. Rap and Hip Hop make their way into my ears every now and then but probably less than most things. I like Tupac, Aesop Rock, Jay-Z, Lupe Fiasco, and Kanye a lot though so my artists tend to have better focus on production there as well with more elements to their beats and such.

 

My biggest genre that needs to totally work is choral music. I like a lot of classical in general but choral stuff is my favorite, especially with orchestras as well. Composers like Mack Wilberg(Mormon Tabernacle Choir), Eric Whitacre, Igor Stravinsky, Sergei Rachmaninoff, and Moses Hogan are guys I tend to listen to a lot. My AD700s do decently with these with their large sound stage and detail but I just feel there could be a lot more there and I'm missing something. I'm pretty sure the HD650's should be able to kick ass with this set of genres.

 

So to wrap things up, I know I'm asking a lot out of a can, and maybe I might not be able to fully succeed in gaining this on a $200-450 budget but I think I can get close. As far as tonal balance and all, I've never been too versed in that but the only thing I will say is that I would like nice, natural, and extended bass but not to overpower anything. The AD700's bass is just hollow and the M50s is very nice and thumpy but I don't like sealed headphones much. Do you guys think the HD650 can be the headphone for me?

our tastes are similar.

 

I'd strongly recommend you check out the Denon D2000 or D5000.  They're closed but don't sound closed (hence their popularity).  You might find that the 650's are a bit too sleepy/mellow for those genres.  I did.  But I'm thinking about re-buying a pair of 650's for the beautiful ways Jazz/Acoustical/Big Band music sounded in them.  But I found choral music sounded better in the Denons.  More detailed and a little more fun in the bass department.  Also more comfortable and better for other uses (superior for movies and gaming). 

 

All IMO, of course.  But yes, I owned the D2000/5000/7000 and HD600's and 650's at the same time and tested them for a month for several hours a day.

 

And no, the Denons don't need amping, but get better with some.
 

 

post #5023 of 36851

I wish my friend would let me borrow his denon's so I could spend some serious time with them and not just a few tracks through some receiver I'm unfamiliar with. I don't even really remember what they sound like, they just were better than my AD700s with less soundstage.

post #5024 of 36851
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Originally Posted by B-Dawk20 View Post

I wish my friend would let me borrow his denon's so I could spend some serious time with them and not just a few tracks through some receiver I'm unfamiliar with. I don't even really remember what they sound like, they just were better than my AD700s with less soundstage.



that pretty much sums them up.  slightly smaller sound stage, but much bigger than any other closed can.  great detail in the highs, okay mids, serious bass. 

 

Worst case: Amazon and J&R (among others) do hassle-free returns.  If you're not impressed, just send them back and buy one of the others.

 

I think the returns are like 60 days now that the holiday season is here.  ample time for you to see what you think.

post #5025 of 36851
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Originally Posted by ajreynol View Post



that pretty much sums them up.  slightly smaller sound stage, but much bigger than any other closed can.  great detail in the highs, okay mids, serious bass. 

 

Worst case: Amazon and J&R (among others) do hassle-free returns.  If you're not impressed, just send them back and buy one of the others.

 

I think the returns are like 60 days now that the holiday season is here.  ample time for you to see what you think.



I'm not going to be buying these anytime soon unfortunately, just want to get some early looks on my future plans.

 

Also, I'm not too big on the recessed mids idea. I think the middle of music is the core in a lot of genres and I do not think having them recessed would be preferable. I'll still look into them though.

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