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post #4711 of 36831

The Schiit Valhalla, which I personally think increases the treble adequately on all of my headphones, still isn't enough for the HD650. Don't get me wrong, the HD650's sound great off of a Valhalla, but higher end gear will make them shine. I just need a bright and detailed DAC to finish the job.

post #4712 of 36831
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post


I haven't thought about this very often, but perhaps the most significant mind-opener for me, when upgrading from mid price dacs and amps to higher priced ones.  The first thing one tends to notice immediately, if you are paying attention to this, is soundstaging and 3 dimensionality - I believe this is due to better channel separation and better low level information retrieval, eg, low level ambience in the recording.

 



I totally hear that. These silver cables I made have oodles of soundstage with the 650's & O2, it sounds "high end". Symphonic music is unbelievable, I feel like I'm standing in the conductors spot. It's a surprise that the O2 has increased the effect of using different cables. I am 110% sure I can identify the differences in these cables in a blind test now. It's good and bad though, now the silver cables really have that typical silver sound, a bit thin in the mids with perhaps too much treble esp. for pop music... 

 

Another big improvement I've noticed is dynamics. Which has been a love hate thing for me. It's caused me to hate most studio recorded music as absurdly loud and overly dynamic, like it's made up of gun shots. Studio recordings of bands are grotesque with their forward snare drums, I literally feel like my head is the mic pointed at the snare drum on some recordings. This is mostly with the silver cables, but the copper cables + O2 have improved dynamics too.


Edited by cheapskateaudio - 10/29/11 at 10:01pm
post #4713 of 36831
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Originally Posted by cheapskateaudio View Post



I totally hear that. These silver cables I made have oodles of soundstage with the 650's & O2, it sounds "high end". Symphonic music is unbelievable, I feel like I'm standing in the conductors spot. It's a surprise that the O2 has increased the effect of using different cables. I am 110% sure I can identify the differences in these cables in a blind test now. It's good and bad though, now the silver cables really have that typical silver sound, a bit thin in the mids with perhaps too much treble esp. for pop music... 

 

Another big improvement I've noticed is dynamics. Which has been a love hate thing for me. It's caused me to hate most studio recorded music as absurdly loud and overly dynamic, like it's made up of gun shots. Studio recordings of bands are grotesque with their forward snare drums, I literally feel like my head is the mic pointed at the snare drum on some recordings. This is mostly with the silver cables, but the copper cables + O2 have improved dynamics too.


I tend to think the same thing for all the aftermarket cables I hear. It just feels like a bigger and more dynamic soundstage.

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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post


I tend to think the same thing for all the aftermarket cables I hear. It just feels like a bigger and more dynamic soundstage.



I don't go into cables all that much these days, but that was how I always pictured my cables in my mind - a difference of soundstages.  I have always broken the soundstage up into different frequencies.  So I hear a better treble soundstage out of this cable, a better uppermid soundstage on this cable, a compromised mid soundstage with SPC etc.  The best cable opens up soundstage in all the frequencies.  This has been my Audioquest solid silver interconnects for me.  I thinks it might be phase timing at certain frequencies.

 

Nevertheless, I will never recommend a cable upgrade unless one is already happy with his general setup and sound - which is never.

post #4715 of 36831
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post





I don't go into cables all that much these days, but that was how I always pictured my cables in my mind - a difference of soundstages.  I have always broken the soundstage up into different frequencies.  So I hear a better treble soundstage out of this cable, a better uppermid soundstage on this cable, a compromised mid soundstage with SPC etc.  The best cable opens up soundstage in all the frequencies.  This has been my Audioquest solid silver interconnects for me.  I thinks it might be phase timing at certain frequencies.

 

Nevertheless, I will never recommend a cable upgrade unless one is already happy with his general setup and sound - which is never.



 

Wow, I agree 100% with that!

post #4716 of 36831

The HD650 is a great headphone if its signature is in line with your preferences. Synergy is key to get the most from it, and I agree with SP that gear that accentuates the HD650's strengths is the path to make it shine. I believe this "truism" goes towards explaining the contradictory and polarising descriptions of the HD650 sound. Does this mean a major investment is required to hear its capabilities? The HD650's ability to scale is often subconsciously linked to bigger ticket items, but with the abundance of bang for buck components, I don't think it's as big a hill to climb as it was in the past.

 

Hearing the HD650 close to its best should be more accessible, and those seeking refinement are advised to carefully consider their components. Those looking to transform the signature, or elevate the HD650 above its inherent capabilities need to look elsewhere. It's really that simple.

 

I've exhausted everything there is to say about the HD650. Unsubscribed.

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Originally Posted by cheapskateaudio View Post



I totally hear that. These silver cables I made have oodles of soundstage with the 650's & O2, it sounds "high end". Symphonic music is unbelievable, I feel like I'm standing in the conductors spot. It's a surprise that the O2 has increased the effect of using different cables. I am 110% sure I can identify the differences in these cables in a blind test now. It's good and bad though, now the silver cables really have that typical silver sound, a bit thin in the mids with perhaps too much treble esp. for pop music... 

 

Another big improvement I've noticed is dynamics. Which has been a love hate thing for me. It's caused me to hate most studio recorded music as absurdly loud and overly dynamic, like it's made up of gun shots. Studio recordings of bands are grotesque with their forward snare drums, I literally feel like my head is the mic pointed at the snare drum on some recordings. This is mostly with the silver cables, but the copper cables + O2 have improved dynamics too.


Hmmmm, you know these can't go hand in hand right? rolleyes.gif

 

post #4718 of 36831

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

The HD650 is a great headphone if its signature is in line with your preferences. Synergy is key to get the most from it, and I agree with SP that gear that accentuates the HD650's strengths is the path to make it shine. I believe this "truism" goes towards explaining the contradictory and polarising descriptions of the HD650 sound. Does this mean a major investment is required to hear its capabilities? The HD650's ability to scale is often subconsciously linked to bigger ticket items, but with the abundance of bang for buck components, I don't think it's as big a hill to climb as it was in the past.

 

Hearing the HD650 close to its best should be more accessible, and those seeking refinement are advised to carefully consider their components. Those looking to transform the signature, or elevate the HD650 above its inherent capabilities need to look elsewhere. It's really that simple.

 

I've exhausted everything there is to say about the HD650. Unsubscribed.


That might be it.  The FUN spoiled me.

 

post #4719 of 36831
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Originally Posted by Satellite_6 View Post


Hmmmm, you know these can't go hand in hand right? rolleyes.gif

 



Hahaha. biggrin.gif

post #4720 of 36831

I have had my pair for over 2 years now and really enjoy them.

I also have they EF5 and think they pair very well.


Edited by Waazup - 10/30/11 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by Satellite_6 View Post


Hmmmm, you know these can't go hand in hand right? rolleyes.gif

 


I know, I've clearly failed to properly express myself, I should be beaten with reeds. And afterward I should be forced to listen to Weezer singles on repeat for 72 hours straight so that I can learn the difference between dynamics and loudness, dear god, why didn't I double check before I hit submit??

 


Edited by cheapskateaudio - 10/30/11 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by cheapskateaudio View Post


 


I know, I've clearly failed to properly express myself, I should be beaten with reeds. And afterward I should be forced to listen to Weezer singles on repeat for 72 hours straight so that I can learn the difference between dynamics and loudness, dear god, why didn't I double check before I hit submit??

 



Or you can just hit the edit button.tongue_smile.gif  That's what I always do when I notice a few grammar/spelling gaffs.

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Originally Posted by Digital-Pride View Post



Or you can just hit the edit button.tongue_smile.gif  That's what I always do when I notice a few grammar/spelling gaffs.


But of course, once you've been quoted editing is impossible.

 

post #4724 of 36831

I miss my HD 650.... I give in.. It just had a way of making you feel "there." The music was "real." It was physically "over there."

 

HD 600 is better on many tracks... but it has no ambiance whatsoever compared to Hd 650.

 

Ok, lets say right to left HD 650 is 6 inches wide.... HD 600 is only 3.75-4 inches wide... The positioning is much more fluffy, although the tone is also more accurate...

 

It has a much more 'in head' sound than hd 650. Which had an 'over there' sound. (A physical conveyance of what you heard was actually happening). Crunches, clicks, and booms' (especially booms) sounded more physically tied to the real word than hd 600...

 

Glad I have one of the last hd 600 ever produced though... Will probably pick up hd 650 if it's 340-350$ in the future.

post #4725 of 36831

If you are ready to pull the trigger on some 650s PM me. Did they stop producing the HD600s? Are they still sold?
 

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Originally Posted by Hennyo View Post

I miss my HD 650.... I give in.. It just had a way of making you feel "there." The music was "real." It was physically "over there."

 

HD 600 is better on many tracks... but it has no ambiance whatsoever compared to Hd 650.

 

Ok, lets say right to left HD 650 is 6 inches wide.... HD 600 is only 3.75-4 inches wide... The positioning is much more fluffy, although the tone is also more accurate...

 

It has a much more 'in head' sound than hd 650. Which had an 'over there' sound. (A physical conveyance of what you heard was actually happening). Crunches, clicks, and booms' (especially booms) sounded more physically tied to the real word than hd 600...

 

Glad I have one of the last hd 600 ever produced though... Will probably pick up hd 650 if it's 340-350$ in the future.



 

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