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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Depends upon how much you want to spend? smile.gif

 

More seriously - do you like the Crack more than the NFB12?



 

Yes, I was never a great fan of the NFB-12 HP out, though I find it has the most weighty bass out of all my amps. The amp section is not bad, just not as good as the other options (Hifiman EF5 and now the Crack).  I'm quite happy with the DAC portion though if you get the newer version with adjustable digital filters.

 

I found the NFB-12 blurs and smooths/blends a lot of the detail on the DT880's (the first cans I tried it with).  But detail isn't everything.  The DT880's sound a little harsh on some music, so the NFB-12 amp would have been an option to purposely calm the highs at the expense of the detail.  But now that I have the 650's, I would continue to use the Crack or EF5 with the 650's on brighter or rougher tracks if I found the DT880's too much.

 

I'm happy so far with the combo and flexibility of the DT880's and HD650's.  I was thinking of the HD600's at first as a complement, but in the end thought the 650's would give more a more marked contrast.

 

In terms of Crack vs EF5, I haven't spent enough time comparing them to form an opinion on which is better, but I can say that I think both are quite good.

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Did you get the speedball ugprade for the Crack? More speed, authority, etc. The HD650 scales very well.

 

I feel the HD650, despite its toned down treble, is ultimately more capable than the DT880 in terms of resolution or detail extraction. Hopefully this observation goes somewhere toward answering your "full potential" question. 

 

Don't forgot source too.


Edited by purrin - 10/19/11 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Did you get the speedball ugprade for the Crack? More speed, authority, etc. The HD650 scales very well.


Yup, got it, but it's not installed yet.  Glad to hear it makes a noticeable difference with the 650's.  Something to look forward to!

 

 

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Made some edits to my post regarding your "full potential" question. 

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I am seriously considering getting the HD650's, but I have a few questions first. Let me start off by saying what I have now, genres I listen to, etc. Right now I currently own the Re0's and ATH-AD700's. Of the two I like the Re0's overall sound better. I find the AD700's a little too bass light for my liking and the sound seems to get a little fatiguing over awhile for me. 

The music I listen to one one hand it rock of some sort, somewhat of a mix of post-hardcore, alternative, bands like blessthefall, Dance Gavin Dance (songs like Elder Goose from them as they have quite a few different sounds), Escape the Fate, etc. On the other hand I also love electro-pop/synthpop, idk what to even call it tbh lol, but artists such as Owl City, and my all time favorite, Lights. Lights is definitely my most listened to artist by far, and her music ranges from simple relaxing acoustic songs with just a guitar and her soft voice, to a more bass heavy, dubstep-influenced genre with her most recent cd with songs like "Where the Fence is Low". I really like the AD700's for her acoustic songs, and her vocals sound good with them, but for everything else it's lacking except for details. I like the Re0's sound quite a bit, although it does get fatiguing at times and the fact that it's a universal IEM makes for uncomfortable long listening sessions. I really love hearing the details of the electro music by Lights, and Owl city, all of the sounds you don't hear with mediocre car speakers, etc. I want a pair of headphones that I can hear her sweet, soft voice, feel the beat of the heavier songs, while still hearing all of the hidden details in the music. And I want to experience a different sound, so while I like some qualities of the other headphones, I don't just want an upgraded version of them.

I've been considering the HD650, HD600, HE-300, and those are the main ones, but I always find myself coming back to the HD650's. I want something that I can enjoy my heavier rock music with (unlike my AD700's), without sacrificing the detail and vocals. Female vocals are very important to me, as well as the the things mentioned above. Also another very important question is how well would the HD650's sound coming out of something like a Fiio E10 for a starter DAC/amp? Obviously it won't sound like a $1k amp, but will it be good enough to suffice? I only have a budget of $100 for an amp/DAC (birthday gift budget from girlfriend) and as far as review have been going the E10 sounds promising for the price. Thanks in advance!

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From your description (nice job) I think you would be very happy with the HD650.

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I can confirm that Owl City and Lights sounds really good on my HD650's.

 

> I want a pair of headphones that I can hear her sweet, soft voice, feel the beat of the heavier songs, while still hearing all of the hidden details in the music.

 

This sounds like exactly what I'm hearing.

 

On a related note (regarding HD650 bass): what recently impressed me about my HD650's was when I EQ'ed the bass up to absurd levels (just for fun) and played a song with a lot of bass and sub-bass. It handled it beautifully, putting out clearly more bass power and impact (and more articulate) than Sony XB700's, but most surprisingly - it didn't muffle the rest of the song. The non-bass melody was still crystal clear and surprisingly detailed.


Edited by ac500 - 10/19/11 at 10:05am
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I can confirm that Owl City and Lights sounds really good on my HD650's.

 

> I want a pair of headphones that I can hear her sweet, soft voice, feel the beat of the heavier songs, while still hearing all of the hidden details in the music.

 

This sounds like exactly what I'm hearing.

 

On a related note (regarding HD650 bass): what recently impressed me about my HD650's was when I EQ'ed the bass up to absurd levels (just for fun) and played a song with a lot of bass and sub-bass. It handled it beautifully, putting out clearly more bass power and impact (and more articulate) than Sony XB700's, but most surprisingly - it didn't muffle the rest of the song. The non-bass melody was still crystal clear and surprisingly detailed.

Thanks a lot for the response, it's very assuring! Making me even more excited for my birthday money xD

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Hmmmm I've been listening to Lights for a while. It sounds like this music was practically made for HD650s (or vice versa), no equalization necessary. You'll definitely not be disappointed with HD650s. Also, happy birthday :D


Edited by ac500 - 10/19/11 at 1:14pm
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Hmmmm I've been listening to Lights for a while. It sounds like this music was practically made for HD650s (or vice versa), no equalization necessary. You'll definitely not be disappointed with HD650s. Also, happy birthday :D



That's really great to hear :D. And thanks! It's Oct 22 :). Btw just wondering as at one point I was considering the SRH940's myself, but have pretty much ruled them out, and I see you have them in your sig. How do those fare against the 650's in such genres?

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I didn't like Lights with the HD 650. Well actually I don't like Lights in general. :D

 

Just a thought to keep in mind, but the HD 650s are really laid back. Really. You really need an amplifier if you want to do something fun with them, but they're still amazing for Owl City and MGMT type stuff. You'll probably have to turn up the volume without one though. 

 

I can't comment on hard rock, but regular rock and alternative is amazing.

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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Did you get the speedball ugprade for the Crack? More speed, authority, etc. The HD650 scales very well.

 

I feel the HD650, despite its toned down treble, is ultimately more capable than the DT880 in terms of resolution or detail extraction. Hopefully this observation goes somewhere toward answering your "full potential" question. 

 

Don't forgot source too.


Hmm, well, it's definitely not as detailed as the DT880's now, even with the Crack - not even close, actually.  And it's not just the treble.

 

I've heard balanced makes a big difference on the 650's - I don't mind springing for the balanced cord, but I don't really want to buy yet another amp (balanced one this time).  I guess I'll have to settle for less than full potential for now.

 

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Originally Posted by captouch View Post

Hmm, well, it's definitely not as detailed as the DT880's now, even with the Crack - not even close, actually.  And it's not just the treble.

 

I've heard balanced makes a big difference on the 650's - I don't mind springing for the balanced cord, but I don't really want to buy yet another amp (balanced one this time).  I guess I'll have to settle for less than full potential for now.

 


There are close, but I feel the HD650 beats the DT800 in low-level detail extraction. It's subtle because the DT880 is brighter and that often helps help people hear the whatever detail there is. Make sure your source is up to snuff. "Detail extractor" type DACs and amps tend to be pricey.

 

It's not necessarily a balanced amp, but the right amp. Although I know that balanced from B22 does indeed transform the HD600/650.


Edited by purrin - 10/20/11 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by Aaron1006 View Post

That's really great to hear :D. And thanks! It's Oct 22 :). Btw just wondering as at one point I was considering the SRH940's myself, but have pretty much ruled them out, and I see you have them in your sig. How do those fare against the 650's in such genres?


The SRH940 is a very nice headphone, and as far as I can tell it continually holds up surprisingly well to my HD650, but it's such a different headphone it's really really hard to compare. I'd say to the extent of my hearing the SRH940 is very close to the HD650 in overall sound quality (but the HD650 is a bit better IMO) - but each has their own strong points.

 

SRH940:

 

The SRH940 is amazing at sounding very detailed, partly due to it's sparkly highs and excellent mids - so in some songs with female vocals the SRH940 is better than my HD650. The problem with the SRH940 is that it is a bit bright (only very slightly), and it lacks a full bodied bass impact compared to the HD650. The SRH940 has very nice and tight bass, but it does not extend as far or have nearly the impact of the HD650. Also the SRH940 being highly analytical can tend to sound comparatively bad especially with imperfectly recorded songs, while the HD650 contains most of the detail but with a smoother presentation. The SRH940's real selling point to me is its spectacular upper mids and highs -- which technically beat the HD650.

 

HD650:

 

The HD650 has much better bass, and smoother mids, and has almost all the detail and resolution of the SRH940 (considerably more resolution in lower frequencies) but it's not as forward, so detail is not the first thing you notice. What this means to someone who doesn't care to listen super-closely is this: The SRH940 will sound more impressive at first, but your ears may get tired/bored of it quicker. The HD650 on the other hand has great subtle detail and resolution, but it will just sound musical at first - and continually more impressive the more you listen to it. The only drawback of the HD650 is its highs being just slightly blurrier than the SRH940 makes it less than ideal for some fast complex songs where the SRH940 dominates.

 

 

For whatever reason, I almost always tend to go back to my HD650 than my SRH940. The only time I use the 940 is when I need isolation, want to listen to something where sparkly highs are important, or if I feel like listening analytically.

 

I just listened to Owl City "Galaxy" and Lights "My Boots" on my HD 650 and SRH 940. They sound excellent on both, but I ended up preferring the HD650 for Owl City. Edit: I originally said I preferred the HD650 for Lights but I'm actually starting to like the SRH940 better, I think due to the extra detail and crisp treble. Again I think it's kind of a preference thing - if you're in an analytical mood the SRH940 can be better. If you want to sit back and listen to the music the HD650 is often better.

 


Edited by ac500 - 12/24/11 at 3:48pm
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Just ordered a set of HD650's last night from J&R.  They will be shipped out on Monday.

 

This is the second time I am trying them.  The first time was about 2 years ago, using an Elekit TU-882 tube amp.  I didn't care for them for some reason, and have since been using the D7000's.  I'm ready for a change of pace, so hopefully they will sound good with my current amp, the PS Audio GCHA.

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