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My HD650's treble extends far enough that music with quality high pitched highs (like a high trumpet from a FLAC) literally pierces my ears to the point of pain. I don't think the HD650 lacks treble quality, it just doesn't have the quantity to give you the perception of it on most songs. I'd still recommend at least trying EQing before buying a cable.


Edited by ac500 - 10/15/11 at 5:58pm
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I guess so but I'm not looking for quantity but quality. I want more extended and sparkly/musical treble, not necessarily more. A touch more would be nice but that isn't all I'm looking for.
 

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I have it on whatever the default was when I purchased it, and it sounds great to me on all types of songs for the most part. I mostly listen to Grooveshark.com which is likely compressed mp3 of varying bit rates.

 

 

> I do kind of find the Sennheiser's "dull" so would this be my cable to get? 

 

Honestly your best bet for fixing the "dull" thing you're hearing is to EQ it slightly to boost the treble. Even assuming cables can do this for you and putting aside that argument, an EQ is still far cheaper and honestly when done right isn't going to hurt sound quality.



 



Have you tried rolling different tubes in your DV? I'm not a cable atheist, but I find you get more substantial results with tubes.

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No I haven't and frankly I'm too lazy to. I have some, but I forget what the sound was like by the time the tube is cooled down and I can remove it. That's why I'd rather go solid state but this amp won't ever sell for a good price (in comparison for what I paid). Apparently they go for $450 with lots of tubes, and I got this thing for $600 with tubes and a couple of aftermarket power cords shipped with apparently some bad scratch that came when it was in Skylab's possession.

 

I don't want a $200 loss, way too much. Any suggestions on selling it?
 

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Have you tried rolling different tubes in your DV? I'm not a cable atheist, but I find you get more substantial results with tubes.



 

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I guess so but I'm not looking for quantity but quality. I want more extended and sparkly/musical treble, not necessarily more. A touch more would be nice but that isn't all I'm looking for.
 



 

 

Then a silver cable is for you. EQing is also a good way to get more out of your headphone, but thats not always an option for some. I'd look into some new cans, maybe with a different flavor??? I honestly want to pick up an HD650 but your comments on the "dull" sound worry me, because I'm used to the fast and energeticness of Pro 900.

 

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I'm listening to the HD650 at the moment through the Lyr with Lorenz Stuttgart tubes. It astounds me how anyone could label it as dull. Synergy is key with these cans. Burning funds on cables when deficiencies may exist elsewhere (amp/dac/compressed files) is misguided imo.

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I'm listening to the HD650 at the moment through the Lyr with Lorenz Stuttgart tubes. It astounds me how anyone could label it as dull. Synergy is key with these cans. Burning funds on cables when deficiencies may exist elsewhere (amp/dac/compressed files) is misguided imo.


Agreed on the cables part, I only think its worth it if its is needed. I figured i'd upgrade my source, then amp, then added a dac before I went spend 1k on a pair of headphones.

 

 

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Is it wrong of me to not have any desire whatsoever to listen to any other headphones? The HD-650s have the exact sound signature I've been searching for. I seriously cannot find fault with them...they are perfect for me. Even with the stock cable and no EQ...call me crazy, but this setup is exactly what I've wanted my music to sound like for many years.

 

I figure this is the correct thread to post this in!

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I use lossless and straight from CD in my laptop to an iBasso D4 Mamba portable amp as a DAC (awaiting upgrade) to a Darkvoice 337 which is said to have great synergy with the 650s I believe. I think the dullness I feel could be the DAC, but all that is wrong is that it needs better treble like I mentioned above. More exciting, sparkly and extended treble. I'll listen with it more tonight and maybe I'll change my mind and say it's the DAC.

 

Krod3003, don't base your decision on buying them or not on my opinions. I said *kinda* dull and I know what is making them feel dull, the treble, and I am now trying to figure out whether it's my amp, DAC, or I am someone who has a cable upgrade in line.

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It could just be the HD650 sound isn't for you. If you want to persist with it though, I'd be looking at a dac first, tubes second. The stock cable isn't as bad as it's made out to be. I'd only recommend you look at upgrading it once you're satisfied with the rest of your chain, and are after the subtle refinement and perhaps increased ergonomics the right cable can provide.

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Maybe the 650s aren't for me, you're right. I think I oughta get an Audio-gd NFB-10SE for a DAC and try that with my current amp and try it, then try the amp built into the 10SE.

 

And yes I am listening to them now as I type and they just feel dull to me. The detail is there but it sounds a bit distorted in the highs (no it's not volume), like muddy in the highs. I have been thinking that this is tube distortion, maybe it's the bass overcoming the highs or something.

 

Anyone here disagree with my 10SE plan?
 

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It could just be the HD650 sound isn't for you. If you want to persist with it though, I'd be looking at a dac first, tubes second. The stock cable isn't as bad as it's made out to be. I'd only recommend you look at upgrading it once you're satisfied with the rest of your chain, and are after the subtle refinement and perhaps increased ergonomics the right cable can provide.



 

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Maybe the 650s aren't for me, you're right. I think I oughta get an Audio-gd NFB-10SE for a DAC and try that with my current amp and try it, then try the amp built into the 10SE.

 

And yes I am listening to them now as I type and they just feel dull to me. The detail is there but it sounds a bit distorted in the highs (no it's not volume), like muddy in the highs. I have been thinking that this is tube distortion, maybe it's the bass overcoming the highs or something.

 

Anyone here disagree with my 10SE plan?
 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

It could just be the HD650 sound isn't for you. If you want to persist with it though, I'd be looking at a dac first, tubes second. The stock cable isn't as bad as it's made out to be. I'd only recommend you look at upgrading it once you're satisfied with the rest of your chain, and are after the subtle refinement and perhaps increased ergonomics the right cable can provide.


 

 

 

The 10SE is a good unit. The amp section is neutral, clean and powerful, but for the HD650 I slightly favour the more grungy and coloured presentation of the Lyr. One isn't necessarily better than the other and is a matter of preference imo. You may like the extra detail and more focused high end directly from the SE, rather than a more musical tube laced presentation.


Edited by olor1n - 10/15/11 at 8:17pm
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That's what I am thinking too. That's the kind of sound I am looking for: clear, detailed and neutral. Nice extended highs, mids, and defined, good impact bass without it overcoming the other frequencies. I didn't know this at first when I bought the amp, as it was my first amp purchase (and first purchase at all) on Head-Fi, and I just got it to get it.

 

Plus, I'd get the Lyr too just so I could say I have owned and tried something from Schiit, and it was going to be my first amp but got my DV337 instead, but I need a new DAC too, and the 10SE is just that. Plus, if I like the driving power and sound of it, all I need for balanced is a 4 pin XLR terminated cable.

 

If I decide that the 650s just aren't for me, then I can still use it for other cans and as a DAC.
 

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The 10SE is a good unit. The amp section is neutral, clean and powerful, but for the HD650 I slightly favour the more grungy and coloured presentation of the Lyr. One isn't necessarily better than the other and is a matter of preference imo. You may like the extra detail and more focused high end directly from the SE, rather than a more musical tube laced presentation.



 


Edited by jtaylor991 - 10/15/11 at 8:22pm
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Well comparing amping from my iBasso D4 Mamba and using it as a DAC w/ my Darkvoice 337brings the same results, they sound virtually the same. I switch from the DV337 to the D4 and the D4 sounds clearer but from the D4 to the DV337 they sound the same. I bet it's the DAC. I'll have to try another DAC and see if that helps.

 

On this one song where the vocals sound muddy on the DV they sound a lot clearer on the iBasso though. Hmm. Well yeah new DAC is next, and then if that doesn't help then a new pair of Thunderpants it is!

 

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Originally Posted by moouers View Post

Is it wrong of me to not have any desire whatsoever to listen to any other headphones? The HD-650s have the exact sound signature I've been searching for. I seriously cannot find fault with them...they are perfect for me. Even with the stock cable and no EQ...call me crazy, but this setup is exactly what I've wanted my music to sound like for many years.

 

I figure this is the correct thread to post this in!


Well my Hi-Fi journey has been short, probably 3 months or so. I'm glad you've found the HD650 as the sound you've been looking for, it makes me want to try these even more! I hope one day i'll find the headphone for all my music tastes and be content. But sadly with all my hobbies, I have an upgrade problem. tongue.gif
 

 



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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I use lossless and straight from CD in my laptop to an iBasso D4 Mamba portable amp as a DAC (awaiting upgrade) to a Darkvoice 337 which is said to have great synergy with the 650s I believe. I think the dullness I feel could be the DAC, but all that is wrong is that it needs better treble like I mentioned above. More exciting, sparkly and extended treble. I'll listen with it more tonight and maybe I'll change my mind and say it's the DAC.

 

Krod3003, don't base your decision on buying them or not on my opinions. I said *kinda* dull and I know what is making them feel dull, the treble, and I am now trying to figure out whether it's my amp, DAC, or I am someone who has a cable upgrade in line.


 

Might I suggest the CLAS with the iBasso PB2. The CLAS is very neutral and the PB2 has that slight egde in treble. Now if you were to have this setup: CLAS < DB2 < PB2 and used the balance output and end. Well you sir would have a portable rig worthy of desktop sound. Which in turn would make the HD650 sound like a different can, I know my set up changed my Pro 900 for the better.

 

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 I figured i'd upgrade my source, then amp, then added a dac before I went spend 1k on a pair of headphones.

 

 



Please do not think that an amp or dac will make more of a difference than headphones.

 

 

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