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post #4516 of 37390
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Originally Posted by cheapskateaudio View Post

I love the HD650, sounds great with a uDac 2. I'm very hesitant to buy any other amps because this combo sounds quite excellent and I'm sure I'd have to drop big $$$ to beat it hands down.

 

Anyone ever notice/mention that the HD650 sound more clear when it is rotated slightly to the back, and pushed forward slightly on the head? It's easy, comfortable even, to wear them in a position that actually slightly muffles the high end. The inside of the ear pad should touch or even push slightly on the back of the ear for optimal sound. Wearing them too loose would keep them from staying in this position.

 

 



I used to own both the HD650 and uDac at the same time...the HD650s do get SOOO much better than Nuforce would have you believe. wink.gif

 

A good upgrade would be say the Schiit Asgard and Bifrost. The best I've heard the HD650s is from a 3 channel B22 fed by a Bryston BDP1 DAC.  <--- Isn't this place insidious. evil_smiley.gif

post #4517 of 37390

What exactly does this bring? I am a bit iffy on removing that foam from the driver since I can't replace it. Is this upgrade worth it?
 

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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post

I see you still have the foam in front of the driver. If your are interested in a bit more clarity try this mod http://apuresound.com/hdsennmod.html

 



 

post #4518 of 37390

I found it made the driver brighter. I didn't really like it. Just removing the outer foam is really easy the drivers are modular.

post #4519 of 37390

I tried removing just the foam between the pads and drivers on the inside and it was just a bit too bright for me, and it sounded like there was less detail, so I put it back and I am now satisfied. I would like a bit of an increase in treble however, just not that much. Should I be looking at the cardas cable or some other upgrade cable for the 650s?
 

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Originally Posted by francisdemarte View Post

I found it made the driver brighter. I didn't really like it. Just removing the outer foam is really easy the drivers are modular.



 

post #4520 of 37390

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I was thinking about EQing i last night but I read about how EQ can distort the SQ wen you change it. Throw off the imaging and stuff. Did you notice this (besides what was *suppposed* to change)? Also, have you heard anything on what improvements the Cardas cable brings to the 650s? 

 


This worry was actually why I avoided EQ'ing originally. It's why I bought an AD2000 which has a naturally better sound signature IMO. But from all i can tell after long term listening, properly EQ'ing does not perceivable reduce sound quality with what I listen to at least.

 

I'll put it this way: An un-equalized Audio Technica AD2000 sounds far inferior to a slightly EQ'ed HD 650. Also, EQ'ing very slightly then turning the EQ off on my HD 650 results in absolutely no perceivable loss in sound quality to me.

 

DISCLAIMER: Keep in mind I'm talking about EQ'ing Properly. There is a wrong way to do it. Basically, VLC media player's EQ is terrible and destroys the sound quality of everything it touches. Similarly, if you EQ with the wrong bit depth and bit rate, it sounds bad. I've found 96/24 to be best. What I do is set my sound card to 96k/24b and adjust the EQ just a tiny bit to boost the treble very slightly to my liking. It sounds perfect, and not lacking any sound quality at all.

 

Also I can't say as to cables since I haven't tried any. I'm skeptical that they change anything significantly. 


Edited by ac500 - 10/12/11 at 10:34pm
post #4521 of 37390
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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I was thinking about EQing i last night but I read about how EQ can distort the SQ wen you change it. Throw off the imaging and stuff. Did you notice this (besides what was *suppposed* to change)? Also, have you heard anything on what improvements the Cardas cable brings to the 650s? 

 


EQing the 650 is fine.  Just don't over do it.  Make small changes and you will be fine.  beerchug.gif

 



 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I used to own both the HD650 and uDac at the same time...the HD650s do get SOOO much better than Nuforce would have you believe. wink.gif

 

A good upgrade would be say the Schiit Asgard and Bifrost. The best I've heard the HD650s is from a 3 channel B22 fed by a Bryston BDP1 DAC.  <--- Isn't this place insidious. evil_smiley.gif


I had the uDac and after getting the uDac 2 things got noticeably better, so, I'm feeling pretty good about the sound at the moment. The treble could be better for sure, it's not particularly musical, it's there but it sounds a tad digital. I also notice the bass getting a bit out of control here and there. I'm not convinced it's just the amp that is at fault, though I'm sure a proper amp would do better but how much better really? I'll keep your recommendations in mind, always good to hear advice from people with similar listening experiences.

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I was thinking about EQing i last night but I read about how EQ can distort the SQ wen you change it. Throw off the imaging and stuff. Did you notice this (besides what was *suppposed* to change)? Also, have you heard anything on what improvements the Cardas cable brings to the 650s? 

 


Minimal phase EQ causes soundstage shifts and distortion almost throughout the sound spectrum. Use linear phase to get a cleaner change. Use shelving and reduce gain on frequencies instead of increasing. I find EQs with oversampling to sound the best. The better the EQ, the cleaner the sound is usually.

 

post #4524 of 37390

Hello guys.

Im new here, and have got a pair of hd650 who is running threw a Asus Xonar essence stx. 

 

I wonder if its normal that the phones change sound dynamic (life,deep) dont really know how to explain it, but it feel more flat now then they was when they where new. Have maybe run about 50 (+/- 10 hours) threw them. Will the sound go back to the good feel they had when they was new? or is something wrong?

 

post #4525 of 37390


I removed them too but I end with the same conclusion as you. However I did change the front foam with a trace of speaker grill cloth. I now feel a more airy can without loosing the headphone signature. I notice an improvement in the bass department as well.

 

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I tried removing just the foam between the pads and drivers on the inside and it was just a bit too bright for me, and it sounded like there was less detail, so I put it back and I am now satisfied. I would like a bit of an increase in treble however, just not that much. Should I be looking at the cardas cable or some other upgrade cable for the 650s? 

 



 

post #4526 of 37390
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Originally Posted by brokenthumb View Post

Just completed my order for these!  Super Excited!!!  I got them from Razor Dog for $334 shipped brand new.  If you enter the coupon 25BONES it will give you $25 dollars off.  So the HD600 is $274 on their site.



Incredible price from an authorized dealer.  I hope others that want this HP see this.

post #4527 of 37390

So what should I use for EQ? I use a USB DAC to my amp. I use foobar for music for now but I am looking for something different to play with since I want albums on the left and when I click on the album a list of its songs on the right and it can't do that. Any suggestions? And anyway should I use the EQ in foobar or is there one in Win7?
 

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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

This worry was actually why I avoided EQ'ing originally. It's why I bought an AD2000 which has a naturally better sound signature IMO. But from all i can tell after long term listening, properly EQ'ing does not perceivable reduce sound quality with what I listen to at least.

 

I'll put it this way: An un-equalized Audio Technica AD2000 sounds far inferior to a slightly EQ'ed HD 650. Also, EQ'ing very slightly then turning the EQ off on my HD 650 results in absolutely no perceivable loss in sound quality to me.

 

DISCLAIMER: Keep in mind I'm talking about EQ'ing Properly. There is a wrong way to do it. Basically, VLC media player's EQ is terrible and destroys the sound quality of everything it touches. Similarly, if you EQ with the wrong bit depth and bit rate, it sounds bad. I've found 96/24 to be best. What I do is set my sound card to 96k/24b and adjust the EQ just a tiny bit to boost the treble very slightly to my liking. It sounds perfect, and not lacking any sound quality at all.

 

Also I can't say as to cables since I haven't tried any. I'm skeptical that they change anything significantly. 



 

post #4528 of 37390

Sadly it doesn't seem there are a lot of really good universal options for EQing. I use my sound card's equalizer configured to upsample if necessary, and it sounds good to me. This works with digital optical out to my DAC/Amp, but I'm not sure about USB.

post #4529 of 37390

 

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

So what should I use for EQ? I use a USB DAC to my amp. I use foobar for music for now but I am looking for something different to play with since I want albums on the left and when I click on the album a list of its songs on the right and it can't do that. Any suggestions? And anyway should I use the EQ in foobar or is there one in Win7? 

 


Look at my previous post. I even made a thread about advantages and disadvantages of different EQs.

 

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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post
I use my sound card's equalizer configured to upsample if necessary, and it sounds good to me.


Upsampled EQs are the bee's knees.

 

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